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Charles Barkley Goes After Daryl Morey & Analytics
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:10 pm
Are you guys pro-analytics? Or do you side with Chuck?
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:11 pm to TigerBait225
Or you could use analytics along with the eye test like 90% of NBA front offices do? 
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:14 pm to TigerBait225
Analytics are simply a tool to use. This whole talent vs. analytics debate makes no sense.
Daryl Morey's own philosophy is to acquire as much talent as possible and let the players figure out how to play together.
He uses analytics as one tool to help evaluate talent.
Daryl Morey's own philosophy is to acquire as much talent as possible and let the players figure out how to play together.
He uses analytics as one tool to help evaluate talent.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:14 pm to TigerBait225
I saw this 'live' on TNT. I do think analytics have a place in professional sports, but Barkley... 
Morey also comes off looking like a little sissy with his passive aggressive tweet.
Morey also comes off looking like a little sissy with his passive aggressive tweet.
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Best part of being at a TNT game live is it is easy to avoid Charles spewing misinformed biased vitriol disguised as entertainment
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:15 pm to LSU Piston
analytics weren't "made up"
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:15 pm to TigerBait225
Chuck is right
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:16 pm to LSU Piston
I don't see what's passive aggressive about that? He was pretty straight forward in that tweet. 
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:16 pm to LSU Piston
Definitely pro analytics. With as much data as there is out there it can definitely be used.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:17 pm to TigerBait225
Anyone who ONLY uses analytics is a moron.
Anybody who thinks they are "crap" is a moron too.
I love how people just pick a side and don't understand that there is a happy median to these things.
Anybody who thinks they are "crap" is a moron too.
I love how people just pick a side and don't understand that there is a happy median to these things.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:18 pm to LSU Piston
Yea moreys tweet wasn't a good look IMO.
Chuck pulled a Kanye, he's done this before and it gets the internet all riled up. Wilbon will go after analytics when he needs attention too. Barkleys comments are all idiotic but love him anyway
Chuck pulled a Kanye, he's done this before and it gets the internet all riled up. Wilbon will go after analytics when he needs attention too. Barkleys comments are all idiotic but love him anyway
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:18 pm to LSU Piston
That tweet was in response to Barkley saying Houston is the worst defensive team in the league (which is obviously wrong).
But this goes way back. Barkley hates the Rockets. And I'm not just saying that like fans do who thinks the media hates their team. Barkley legitimately hates the Rockets organization because he lost a lawsuit to them years ago. He's also bitter at these stats-based GMs because Barkley has made it known he'd love to be a GM. And now he feels like these "nerds" are taking jobs from former players like himself.
The Rockets hate on TNT has been going on for a long time, and the tweet Morey sent out was just in response to a years of the same stuff from Barkley.
But this goes way back. Barkley hates the Rockets. And I'm not just saying that like fans do who thinks the media hates their team. Barkley legitimately hates the Rockets organization because he lost a lawsuit to them years ago. He's also bitter at these stats-based GMs because Barkley has made it known he'd love to be a GM. And now he feels like these "nerds" are taking jobs from former players like himself.
The Rockets hate on TNT has been going on for a long time, and the tweet Morey sent out was just in response to a years of the same stuff from Barkley.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:18 pm to Jcorye1
Happy Median or Happy Medium?
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:18 pm to Jcorye1
But alas, that is the world we live in
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:20 pm to TigerBait225
Watched it live. I think he was making a deal about something that nobody is arguing about.
ETA: I worded that horribly. Nobody in the business can seriously argue that 1 side of this is the 100% only way to evaluating talent and whatnot. Both are needed, but Chuck is blasting away like this guy thinks analytics are the ONLY way to judge players and teams.
ETA: I worded that horribly. Nobody in the business can seriously argue that 1 side of this is the 100% only way to evaluating talent and whatnot. Both are needed, but Chuck is blasting away like this guy thinks analytics are the ONLY way to judge players and teams.
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:23 pm to PrimeTime Money
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That tweet was in response to Barkley saying Houston is the worst defensive team in the league (which is obviously wrong).
It was still dumb and made him look petty.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:26 pm to KosmoCramer
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Happy Median or Happy Medium?
denoting or relating to a value or quantity lying at the midpoint of a frequency distribution of observed values or quantities, such that there is an equal probability of falling above or below it.
I don't care for a joyful John Edwards.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:39 pm to TigerBait225
Like so many other quantitative measures, analytics can be an extremely useful tool.
However, quantitative measures have limitations, and on the highest levels of any endeavor (sports, business, etc.), expertise, creativity, and discernment separate the merely good from the great.
However, quantitative measures have limitations, and on the highest levels of any endeavor (sports, business, etc.), expertise, creativity, and discernment separate the merely good from the great.
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:49 pm to Jcorye1
The idiom is happy medium fwiw.
But median makes sense.
And it's John Edward and he's real to me DAMN IT.
But median makes sense.
And it's John Edward and he's real to me DAMN IT.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:51 pm to TigerBait225
He said baseball teams who use analytics put together these "lightweight" teams who win a little but no championships.
First of all, the MLB teams who use analytics and are lightweights are lightweights because they are small-market teams. Analytics helps keep some of them more competitive.
It's not like analytics are telling them to sign lightweight players over great ones.
For example, RC "Runs Created" is considered an "analytics" type of baseball stat. Do you know who the top 10 in Runs Created in 2014 were?
1. Mike Trout
2. McCutchen
3. Martinez
4. Brantley
5. Abreu
6. Batista
7. Stanton
8. Cabrera
9. Altuve
10. Rizzo
Not exactly lightweight.
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First of all, the MLB teams who use analytics and are lightweights are lightweights because they are small-market teams. Analytics helps keep some of them more competitive.
It's not like analytics are telling them to sign lightweight players over great ones.
For example, RC "Runs Created" is considered an "analytics" type of baseball stat. Do you know who the top 10 in Runs Created in 2014 were?
1. Mike Trout
2. McCutchen
3. Martinez
4. Brantley
5. Abreu
6. Batista
7. Stanton
8. Cabrera
9. Altuve
10. Rizzo
Not exactly lightweight.
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:52 pm to Nonetheless
Chuck certainly wasn't right in bringing the Spurs into the argument.
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