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Are The Crusades equal to ISIS?
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:51 am
What say you?
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:51 am to jeff5891
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What say you?
ask the poliboard crew
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:52 am to jeff5891
This will go over well in here 
If they were both 1,000 years ago before modern humanity, yes they'd be comparable.
If they were both 1,000 years ago before modern humanity, yes they'd be comparable.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:53 am to jeff5891
610 stompers closer
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:54 am to CurDog
quote:I would like to get an eclectic view.
ask the poliboard crew
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:54 am to jeff5891
Don't believe a word Obama says.... about anything.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:54 am to jeff5891
The worst part of that video wasn't the crusades reference. He should have just mentioned the world's long history of religious warfare and violence and moved on. Mentioning the crusades in that context is kind of eyeroll worthy, but it's fine.
The problem is when he explicitly referenced racial strife in America done in the name of Christ. That is a highly dubious argument, as very little of the violence of the civil rights era, or violence that occurred as a product of slavery, was anything but the product of racial hatred/bias or greed.
While I don't contest that groups like the KKK used a loose badge of Christianity as a shield for their activities, reading their literature, looking at interviews or reading about their acts of violence make it quite clear they weren't done in the name of anything other than white superiority and hatred of blacks. The idea that they were done in the name of Christianity, rather than just in loose association with Christian labels, is bizarre and absurd.
The problem is when he explicitly referenced racial strife in America done in the name of Christ. That is a highly dubious argument, as very little of the violence of the civil rights era, or violence that occurred as a product of slavery, was anything but the product of racial hatred/bias or greed.
While I don't contest that groups like the KKK used a loose badge of Christianity as a shield for their activities, reading their literature, looking at interviews or reading about their acts of violence make it quite clear they weren't done in the name of anything other than white superiority and hatred of blacks. The idea that they were done in the name of Christianity, rather than just in loose association with Christian labels, is bizarre and absurd.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:55 am to tigerbutt
Since over 5 million died in the Crusades the answer is "not even close".
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:55 am to jeff5891
quote:
get an eclectic view.
not the word I would have used but ok
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:55 am to jeff5891
What? How many Christians has ISIS killed?
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:55 am to jeff5891
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Are The Crusades equal to ISIS?
Equal in what way? Brutality? Justification? Effectiveness?
I'll say this the Crusades started damn near 1000 years ago...I would have hoped that society as a whole had evolved past the point of that type of thing since then. I think that justifying what ISIS is doing because of the Crusades is a bit of a stretch to say the least.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:57 am to jeff5891
The Crusades ? That was that whole workplace violence deal a few years back where marauding Christians attacked the peaceful, kite-flying swarthy folks of The Middle East? I don't really know the details but it sounds like we need to issue an apology and surrender Europe immediately.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:58 am to jeff5891
People like to toss out the crusades as if Christianity was the sole aggressor at the time. They fail to mention the moors invading and occupying the Iberian peninsula or the Muslim expansion into Eastern Europe. Truth is everybody was an a-hole back then
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:00 am to jeff5891
Jonah Goldberg has a good piece on this today in NR:
LINK
The end of his piece sums it up nicely:
LINK
The end of his piece sums it up nicely:
quote:
It is perverse that Obama feels compelled to lecture the West about not getting too judgmental on our “high horse” over radical Islam’s medieval barbarism in 2015 because of Christianity’s medieval barbarism in 1215.
It’s also insipidly hypocritical. President Obama can’t bring himself to call the Islamic State “Islamic,” but he’s happy to offer a sermon about Christianity’s alleged crimes at the beginning of the last millennium.
We are all descended from cavemen who broke the skulls of their enemies with rocks for fun or profit. But that hardly mitigates the crimes of a man who does the same thing today. I see no problem judging the behavior of the Islamic State and its apologists from the vantage point of the West’s high horse, because we’ve earned the right to sit in that saddle.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:01 am to LSU316
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I'll say this the Crusades started damn near 1000 years ago...I would have hoped that society as a whole had evolved past the point of that type of thing since then. I think that justifying what ISIS is doing because of the Crusades is a bit of a stretch to say the least.
This. ISIS can't justify their war by saying this happened to them over 500 years ago. It's far too late for revenge, this is just an excuse if they say that. Also ISIS hates the US more than anything, and the US really had nothing to do with the Crusades except that a large population of Christians live here
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:08 am to Upperdecker
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and the US really had nothing to do with the Crusades
Ya think?
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Also ISIS hates the US more than anything
Not really. They are pushing for attacks against everyone. Canada, Australia, France, Britain, Holland, etc. The US is just the biggest and most prominent country of those and we live here so we lead the headlines here.
They are against all non-Muslim Theocracies that follow a radical interpretation of the Qur'an.
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 10:13 am
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:09 am to Upperdecker
Let's dumb down the question. In the last 2000 years are there any examples of so-called "Radical Christianity?" Acts of violence made in the name of Christianity.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:10 am to jeff5891
Bombing abortion clinics is worse than anything ISIS has done.
The Pope poisons Muslims' drinking water.
Christians are responsible for chemtrails.
Hillary '16.
The Pope poisons Muslims' drinking water.
Christians are responsible for chemtrails.
Hillary '16.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:15 am to NorthTiger
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Let's dumb down the question. In the last 2000 years are there any examples of so-called "Radical Christianity?" Acts of violence made in the name of Christianity
TONS.
On the barbaric levels equal with ISIS. Christians tortured, maimed, killed, etc. millions of people in the name of Christianity.
But a more relevant question would be:
Since the dawn of modern humanity, lets say post-Industrial Revolution, has Christianity been the main propaganda involved in atrocities equal to those of ISIS?
Some could say Nazi Germany, but they had a plethora of motives and acted under the guise of being a Christian group. Interesting enough, some Muslims say the exact same thing about ISIS.
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 10:17 am
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:15 am to TK421
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Jonah Goldberg has a good piece on this today in NR:
It just says something about people on that end of the spectrum that their first instinct upon seeing someone burned alive is to go "well how am I going to morally equate this to something our side has done."
It's just a freakish mindset.
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