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re: USW strike...** POSSIBLE END IN SIGHT **
Posted on 3/4/15 at 6:12 am to TJG210
Posted on 3/4/15 at 6:12 am to TJG210
While margins at US refineries have dropped some in late 2014 to 2015 they are still very healthy. Midwestern refinery margins have pulled down closer to US Gulfcoast margins. But overall US refineries are doing just fine. Main reason is the spread between WTI and Brent. Refiners that export products to South America compete against product based on Brent feed with Brent being $10/BBL higher right now.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 12:55 pm
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Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:39 am to LSU0358
Looks like refineries are stacking the deck against USW..... Hope you guys don't get caught up on the wrong side of the fence 
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LyondellBasell accuses Steelworkers of threatening returning workers
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LyondellBasell announced Tuesday that it has filed an unfair labor practice charge against the United Steelworkers union, alleging that union representatives have made threats against employees who have returned to work and have used abusive language in social media.
The company also contends it has witnessed threatening behavior at the gates of its Houston refinery as employees arrive to work, according to a letter to employees from Kevin Brown, executive vice president of global manufacturing, refining, global engineering services and global projects. The company filed the charge with the National Labor Relations Board.
“This action by the USW is extremely disappointing and the impact it has on individuals and families is saddening,” Brown said. “We understand the hardships that have been placed on our employees due to the USW’s actions. It is for this reason that we opened the gates and invited our represented employees to return to work at the Houston Refinery. We respect the rights of all of our employees, whether they decide to return to work or to remain out on strike.”
In response, many employees have returned, Brown said.
“We acknowledge that their decision was not easy,” he said.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 8:44 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:47 am to TexasTiger01
I wonder why no USW members ask why they don't get retirement benefits, full pay during a strike ( once in 30 years btw ) full medical insurance / basically everything you get if you were working. They claim 885,000 members in the US working in many industries.
885,000 x say $75. A month avg " dues " = $66,375,000.00 a month
You don't even want to run the numbers on what this is per year.
Yes that is $66 million. If this isn't a business looking out for its interests then I don't know wtf you'd call it. Call the companies greedy if you want but they pay out a whole hell of a lot more from what they EARN than the USW does.
I can t imagine people not being able to see how bad they are being screwed.
885,000 x say $75. A month avg " dues " = $66,375,000.00 a month
You don't even want to run the numbers on what this is per year.
Yes that is $66 million. If this isn't a business looking out for its interests then I don't know wtf you'd call it. Call the companies greedy if you want but they pay out a whole hell of a lot more from what they EARN than the USW does.
I can t imagine people not being able to see how bad they are being screwed.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:53 am to Scrote
Exactly. They're looking out for the business side of USW not the people they represent. Same as 98% of congress.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:10 am to Scrote
I m going back to my job on Thursday and it's because I'm losing SELF RESPECT each day I sit out ( in support ) of this. Some will support this with blind conviction to financial ruin. The same kind of brainwashed shite that brings folks to wear purple Nikes / kill themselves while waiting on a spaceship from heaven to come pick them up.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:23 am to Scrote
Not that I own any but purple nikes? How random
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:27 am to Ed Osteen
Heaven's Gate reference. I got it 
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:29 am to Scrote
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$66,375,000.00 a month
You don't even want to run the numbers on what this is per year.
they will tell you This is for the Union heads salary and to pay the light bill.
Plus they need money to donate to the democratic candidates campaigns.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:02 pm to Scrote
That would be a smart move. The union and Shell are not meeting today, only a phone call.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:09 pm to RemyLeBeau
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That would be a smart move. The union and Shell are not meeting today, only a phone call.
You sure about this? I thought they were meeting "at the table" again today. Which leads me to believe this would be an in person meeting.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:15 pm to TigeRoots
I can only go by what I heard from the man with my own two ears. Margins are elevated on the gulf coast due to the cold weather in the north east and refineries are running at full rates. Shell, nor any of the other companies are willing to let the USW dictate staffing levels at their respective refineries. Oil companies are not backing down.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:17 pm to RemyLeBeau
USW will not get public support for their cause either. Their members are in the top 7% in wage earners in the US with top tier benefits packages. While there are catastrophic incidents in industry, the incident rates and injuries are no where near other occupations.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:19 pm to TigeRoots
We were just informed that they are not meeting at the table. This is only a conference call to discuss if they are going back to the table next week.
I don't see this ending any time soon.
I don't see this ending any time soon.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:22 pm to GS3
I would expect quite a number of folks to come back starting tomorrow. USW management screwed these guys over big time.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:24 pm to GS3
That's what I was afraid of. Packing my bags to cross next week if all we get is more hot air this week (which seems most likely).
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:31 pm to TigeRoots
USW is a fricking joke and this proves it. Stop paying those dues folks.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:40 pm to fightin tigers
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fightin tigers
You've obviously been a union man for a long time.
Are the union bosses not taking any pay in solidarity with their brothers and sisters?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:47 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Are the union bosses not taking any pay in solidarity with their brothers and sisters?
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:49 pm to TigeRoots
I bet if you'd ask them they would say "this is when we earn our pay"
To which I would respond "then why do you get paid when we aren't striking?"
To which I would respond "then why do you get paid when we aren't striking?"
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:53 pm to RemyLeBeau
Yeah, I think the flood gates are about to open.
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