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re: Heath Ledger as The Joker
Posted on 1/31/15 at 8:00 am to Breesus
Posted on 1/31/15 at 8:00 am to Breesus
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Breesus
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As for your Titanic spiel, I bet that Dicaprio poster in your parents basement is extremely wrinkled and sticky
You're just an immature little bitch troll aren't ya? Nothing else to do on a Friday night?
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Posted on 1/31/15 at 8:05 am to Cockopotamus
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Posted by Cockopotamus
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if Ben Affleck dies after Batman v Superman finishes filming, his performance will be considered the best Batman by far and one of the best acting jobs in movie history
I don't think its that simple, but Ledger's death definitely added a lot of hype to the role before it even premiered.
Absolutely. But it shouldn't take away from the quality of the performance. Ledger was great.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 8:06 am to ManBearTiger
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I thought Ledger's Joker was great, but being nominated, much less actually winning, best supporting actor was sentimental crap.
Ledger's Joker, and Nolans trilogy are monumentally above any of the X-Men movies as Oscar movies.
My main retort on Ledger's performance and subsequent Oscar comes from my dad. I picked him up from the airport after an overnight flight, and the first thing he said was, "I watched that Batman movie. Who was the guy who played the Joker? He should win an Oscar for that performance."
All that to say, it wasn't just because he died that people thought the performance was Oscar worthy.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 8:28 am to Cockopotamus
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I don't think its that simple, but Ledger's death definitely added a lot of hype to the role before it even premiered.
I don't think it was the death itself as much as it was the wide spread reporting that he dove himself so much in the role that after reclusing himself for weeks getting in the right mind set he had trouble sleeping.
The hype came from the insinuation that he literally died because he was so focused on giving his all to the performance.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 8:31 am to Volvagia
I did not see the other performances up for the Oscar that year, but alive or dead, Ledger definitely deserved to be in the mix for his performance as the Joker.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 8:37 am to DanglingFury
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I would've loved to have seen what happened had Ledger not died.
I give DKR a big pass for its "meh" effect compared to TDK largely because I really feel that Ledger's death killed his trilogy plan and he had to wing it.
I think the plot hole about Batman being worn to nothing in spite of only being batman for only a year based on earlier films came directly from that.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 10:42 am to gatorprincess815
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Many were very skeptical of Ledger as the Joker coming in.
I never got the hate for Ledger - he could legitimately act. The casting choice was questioned, but not panned like Affleck has been so far (and he will be a disaster - Affleck can act, he just hasn't show much affinity for actually delivering a performance. I mean, neither Gus nor Silent Bob are directing this film, right?)
Zach has his work cut out for him.
Ledger should get some kind of award for the most unexpectedly brilliant performance of all time...
Posted on 1/31/15 at 10:47 am to Wayne Campbell
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Ledger's Joker,
Yes.
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Nolans trilogy
No. I cannot endorse this for the entire trilogy. If you took Ledger out and replaced him with "generic villain actor #4" and that actor performed at an equivalent level to the rest of the trilogy - the whole thing would be a B -/C +, tops. The ONLY think that elevates the "trilogy" is Ledger's Joker - I wish that wasn't true, because I've been talking Nolan up since Memento, but it is.
It's not any better than that crap they pushed as X-Men. If anything, Stewart and McKellan are better than anything except Ledger in the Nolan Batman films. And certainly, the gay Australian is as good a Wolverine as Bale is as Batman (and I'm voting "meh" on both.)
Oldman and Caine are great actors, but these are paycheck performances.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 11:03 am to Brosef Stalin
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if Ben Affleck dies after Batman v Superman finishes filming, his performance will be considered the best Batman by far and one of the best acting jobs in movie history
this is such utter bullshite. Yes, the immediate reaction to his selection was met poorly. But the hype surrounding his performance started to begin well before his death.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:12 pm to Wayne Campbell
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I thought Ledger's Joker was great, but being nominated, much less actually winning, best supporting actor was sentimental crap.
I've got to disagree. A lot of TDK was based off of the Killing Joke story line where the Joker was pretty much psychotic. Heath did an excellent job with the character. I'll concede that some people gave him the sentimental vote but I don't think it should diminish his performance.
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I never got the hate for Ledger - he could legitimately act.
I felt like he was pulling a McConaughey and got stuck in the rom com's for a bit. He was pulling out of it with some real strong performances. If he hadn't died he'd be heavily lauded like MM is.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:18 pm to jmarto1
For those saying Ledger only won because he died, this is who he beat. He was more than deserving.
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Heath Ledger – The Dark Knight as The Joker (posthumous award[A])
Josh Brolin –Milk as Dan White
Robert Downey, Jr. – Tropic Thunder as Kirk Lazarus
Philip Seymour Hoffman – Doubt as Father Brendan Flynn
Michael Shannon –Revolutionary Road as John Givings
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:19 pm to NorthShoreTiger44
quote:I was very disappointed in the Joker casting at first. At that time he only had a rep as a pretty boy actor. When I saw the first trailer, my mind was completely changed. I was in a little bit in shock when I heard that Ben Affleck was playing Batman, but if you take away his history as an actor (Gigli, The Paycheck, etc) and his history in the tabloids (the JLo fiasco) he really is perfect for the role. He also has made some pretty good decisions lately and has made some really good movies.
did Ledger get the same welcoming as Ben Afflack is as Batman?
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:21 pm to abellsujr
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When I saw the first trailer, my mind was completely changed.
I was sold when this picture leaked
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:25 pm to JombieZombie
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And Ledger would not have won the Oscar if he had lived.
Possibly, but he still would have deserved it
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:29 pm to REG861
Ledger was trending upwards at the time coming into the film. I think most had faith in him. The teaser with the batman logo got released, and it quelled everyone. All you had was dialog, and it got people hyped beyond belief.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:30 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I was on board when they released the first teaser trailer with just his voice
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:34 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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For those saying Ledger only won because he died, this is who he beat. He was more than deserving.
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Tom Cruise -Tropic Thunder as Les Grossman
Robert Downey, Jr. - Tropic Thunder as Kirk Lazarus
Ralph Fiennes -The Duchess as William Cavendish, 5th Duke of Devonshire
Philip Seymour Hoffman - Doubtas Father Brendan Flynn
at that competition. I saw all of those but the Duchess. PSH was good in Doubt, but nowhere close to his role in Capote. Ledger easily deserved it. 
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:43 pm to REG861
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Tom Cruise -Tropic Thunder as Les Grossman
Robert Downey, Jr. - Tropic Thunder as Kirk Lazarus
Ralph Fiennes -The Duchess as William Cavendish, 5th Duke of Devonshire
Philip Seymour Hoffman - Doubtas Father Brendan Flynn
Ok, this is incorrect.
Robert Downey and Philip Seymour Hoffman are correct.
Josh Brolin in "Milk"
Michael Shannon in "Revolutionary Rosd" are the others besides Heath Ledger per Wiki.
Tom Cruise was pretty funny in TT but hardly worthy of an Oscar nomination.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:45 pm to RD Dawg
It pulled up the golden globes and I didn't notice. That's my bad
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Heath Ledger – The Dark Knight as The Joker (posthumous award[A])
Josh Brolin –Milk as Dan White
Robert Downey, Jr. – Tropic Thunder as Kirk Lazarus
Philip Seymour Hoffman – Doubt as Father Brendan Flynn
Michael Shannon –Revolutionary Road as John Givings
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:47 pm to RD Dawg
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Ok, this is incorrect.
Robert Downey and Philip Seymour Hoffman are correct.
Josh Brolin in "Milk"
Michael Shannon in "Revolutionary Rosd" are the others besides Heath Ledger per Wiki.
You are correct, I just double checked. Ledger still earned it, regardless.
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