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re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by BigOrangeBri on 1/28/15 at 5:38 pm to SUB
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I'm guessing that you are a little biased because you probably play guitar. You are implying that mastering something that requires motor skills is inherently more complex than mastering something that requires creativity alone. I'd argue that the guitar is incredibly limited in what it can do when compared to a computer. You can't really "master" what you can do with a computer because there really are no limits. You can't honestly say that guitar takes more skill and ignore those facts. That's like saying a man who builds log cabins for a living is more skilled than a guy who designs skyscrapers. Those log cabins are badass and took great craftsmanship to build, but that skyscraper did too, even though guy #2 didn't build it with his hands. You are comparing things that shouldn't be compared.
I'm not biased. I play guitar, but have made electronic music and have used multiple CPU based programs that are used in the production of rap music.
Playing an instrument takes more skill. It's just a fact
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by Fab4Freddy on 1/28/15 at 5:41 pm to BigOrangeBri
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Playing an instrument takes more skill. It's just a fact
totally depends on the skill of each. there are some very talented people of both stripes. I don't think you can make a blanket statement.
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by BigOrangeBri on 1/28/15 at 5:47 pm to Fab4Freddy
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totally depends on the skill of each. there are some very talented people of both stripes. I don't think you can make a blanket statement.
Yes I can. I said a complex guitar solo is harder to create than a complex beat created using a computer. It is.
That doesn't mean electronic music isn't a good medium. It is great for creativity and talented people can make great sounds with it.
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by Fab4Freddy on 1/28/15 at 5:50 pm to BigOrangeBri
agree to disagree.
I can think of plenty of complex beats created using a computer that to me are more difficult to create and perfect than a complex guitar solo.
First of all, there are a ton of elements going in to the complex beat- a complex guitar solo is one instrument that still needs all of the other parts for it to be "perfect". I hear what you are saying, but it really does just depend.
I can think of plenty of complex beats created using a computer that to me are more difficult to create and perfect than a complex guitar solo.
First of all, there are a ton of elements going in to the complex beat- a complex guitar solo is one instrument that still needs all of the other parts for it to be "perfect". I hear what you are saying, but it really does just depend.
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by BigOrangeBri on 1/28/15 at 6:54 pm to Fab4Freddy
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I can think of plenty of complex beats created using a computer that to me are more difficult to create and perfect than a complex guitar solo. First of all, there are a ton of elements going in to the complex beat- a complex guitar solo is one instrument that still needs all of the other parts for it to be "perfect". I hear what you are saying, but it really does just depend.
Yes, but those complex beats are put together individually. Each sound is put in it's place and then it's as simple as playback.
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by Fab4Freddy on 1/28/15 at 7:03 pm to BigOrangeBri
you are sort of making my point. anyways doing things that are creative require work. guitar learning is hard work. composing soundscapes is hard work. I have done both also- it's not as cut and dry and well, a complex guitar solo is harder. It's just not. it can be, but as a blanket statement it is incorrect.
hey- we can agree on hating bama....
hey- we can agree on hating bama....
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by BigOrangeBri on 1/28/15 at 8:52 pm to Fab4Freddy
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hey- we can agree on hating bama.
Hahaha, yes we can. I agree with you for the most part. They both require creativity and talent. I just think guitar takes more technical skill to get the finished product
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by jg8623 on 1/28/15 at 10:47 pm to BigOrangeBri
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Yes, complex guitar music takes much longer and more skill to execute than complex beats. The Cpu does a lot of work for you. That doesn't mean the electronic musician can't be as creative. In fact, it really opens up a whole other world of sound.
So the degree of difficulty decides whether or not it's music? Now that's fricking retarded
Who cares how it was made or how hard it was. If it produces a sound and has beats/rhythm and creates a mental picture for someone it's music
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Rap is not music. It's all beats that are made from some computer software with people with no grasp of the English language rapping over them. I'm sorry but any song that uses ni**** isn't music, why listen to something that uses that word amongst "bitch" and "hoe" and talks abt making girls swallow and shite like that? That's just noise and stupid shite for the masses who don't have the intellect to appreciate what real music is. Rap and hip hop is not music, it's noise. No feeling, no skill, no real talent translatable to a stage. Most can't play instruments, it's all trash
I'd bet every penny I have that tons of rappers have a better grasp on the English language than you do. And no I'm not talking about the "club rap" like lil Jon and 2 chainz and rappers like that. I'm talking actual lyricists like eminen, Kendrick Lamar, Andre 300, nas, 2 pac and guys like that
I love how people are just making up their own terms for what music can or can't be
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re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by jg8623 on 1/28/15 at 10:59 pm to BigOrangeBri
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Yes I can. I said a complex guitar solo is harder to create than a complex beat created using a computer. It is.
Why are you so hell bent on how difficult something is? Music is music regardless of how hard it was to make
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by jg8623 on 1/28/15 at 11:03 pm to BigOrangeBri
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Yes I can. I said a complex guitar solo is harder to create than a complex beat created using a computer. It is.
That all depends on who you're talking to
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by BigOrangeBri on 1/28/15 at 11:06 pm to jg8623
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So the degree of difficulty decides whether or not it's music? Now that's fricking retarded Who cares how it was made or how hard it was. If it produces a sound and has beats/rhythm and creates a mental picture for someone it's music
I never said it determines whether or not it's music. Just that playing an instrument takes more technical skill. If you look back at my posts I have stated multiple times that electronic music can be good and has a place in the music world.
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by Wayne Campbell on 1/29/15 at 7:21 am to dnm3305
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but none of them can sing either.
You talking abou rappers, or KISS?
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by Peazey on 1/29/15 at 8:50 am to BigOrangeBri
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I never said it determines whether or not it's music. Just that playing an instrument takes more technical skill. If you look back at my posts I have stated multiple times that electronic music can be good and has a place in the music world.
It's just sort of an arbitrary point. I can see that it takes more dexterity and physical ability, but at the upper limits of electronic music making and potential it most likely takes more knowledge of music and skill in how to arrange music to put together the more complex pieces that are possible because the limits are less and you have more control over putting together a piece with more elements. That composing role itself is a skill and possibly more difficult one than the virtuouso guitar player.
A variation of this analogy has already been made, but I'll try saying it in maybe just different words. What you are saying pretty much is that the master carpenter is neccesarily more skilled than the master engineer. The engineer's skill is pretty technical too and likely has to be more comprehensive.
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re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by SUB on 1/29/15 at 9:40 am to BigOrangeBri
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Just that playing an instrument takes more technical skill.
There is absolutely no way that you can prove that. This is simply your opinion. You completely ignore my analogies that prove how irrelevant your viewpoint is. You might as well say that building a house takes more skill than writing a computer program. My point is that you can't compare the two things. If you were comparing two guitar solos, then that would make more sense.
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re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by Kayhill Brown on 1/29/15 at 11:40 am to nc14
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No. Noise is not music.
Actually, it is. See: Wolf Eyes, Lightning Bolt, Sonic Youth, Merzbow, etc etc etc
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by BigOrangeBri on 1/29/15 at 5:47 pm to Peazey
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A variation of this analogy has already been made, but I'll try saying it in maybe just different words. What you are saying pretty much is that the master carpenter is neccesarily more skilled than the master engineer. The engineer's skill is pretty technical too and likely has to be more comprehensive.
But the difference is most musicians/guitar players can use and produce music from CPU based programs. Most musicians use those programs in some way anyway.
Hand a guitar to most rap producers and see what happens.
Most decent musicians can be using these programs at a high level in a short amount of time. The reverse can not be said for the other side.
re: is hiphop or rap really music?Posted by 1234567VFL on 1/29/15 at 10:34 pm to Kashmir
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not trying to offend, but to me, it's mostly noise. are there any outstanding musicians/singers from this genre of "music?"
I agree with you, to call it music is a stretch.
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