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Why Didn't Refs Notice Deflated Balls? They place balls before every play.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:34 am
11 of 12 balls were deflated. A Ref handled the balls before every single play. The inflation of the balls is TOTALLY up to the team with NO Referee oversight at all?
It is hard for me to believe that the balls would have been deflated to the point that they affected anything and that the NFL refs would not have noticed it.
Either:
A) the Refs are incompetent
B) the NFL allowed the deflated balls
Is there a deeper story here? Was the NFL in on this to make for a better game in the cold or to give the Patriots an advantage? Were the Referees okay with the deflated balls and then when it was found out the NFL is now blaming the Patriots?
With the track record of lying and deceit coming out of Goodell's office, why is this angle not being considered?
How did the Refs not notice the deflated balls?
It is hard for me to believe that the balls would have been deflated to the point that they affected anything and that the NFL refs would not have noticed it.
Either:
A) the Refs are incompetent
B) the NFL allowed the deflated balls
Is there a deeper story here? Was the NFL in on this to make for a better game in the cold or to give the Patriots an advantage? Were the Referees okay with the deflated balls and then when it was found out the NFL is now blaming the Patriots?
With the track record of lying and deceit coming out of Goodell's office, why is this angle not being considered?
How did the Refs not notice the deflated balls?
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:35 am to AlaTiger
Make it stahp.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:38 am to AlaTiger
bet you thought you were on to something profound
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:39 am to PTBob
No. I just haven't heard anyone talk about this.
Have they been?
I haven't been hanging on every word of this stupid controversy. If I have a thought/question about something sports related, why is it a problem to bring it up? Show me the "Ref" thread on this and I'll read those responses.
But, what about the Refs? Why didn't they notice in the 1st quarter?
Do you have an answer or just smart arse comments?
Have they been?
I haven't been hanging on every word of this stupid controversy. If I have a thought/question about something sports related, why is it a problem to bring it up? Show me the "Ref" thread on this and I'll read those responses.
But, what about the Refs? Why didn't they notice in the 1st quarter?
Do you have an answer or just smart arse comments?
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 9:41 am
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:40 am to taylork37
looking at the first two pages of the MSB, 11/40 threads discuss deflation gate. Why can't we have one stickied thread for this, instead of cluttering up the board with over 25% of the posts?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:43 am to AlaTiger
If you think it's so damn stupid than don't start a thread about it. Sheesh.
MANY people have said that you cannot tell the difference between 10 and 12 PSI. Numerous shows have done this "experiment".
And even IF they could, a ref is not going to check the air pressure prior to every play. It's not an exact science and would slow the game down tremendously. Especially for teams trying to play HUNH.
Use your god damned brain man.
MANY people have said that you cannot tell the difference between 10 and 12 PSI. Numerous shows have done this "experiment".
And even IF they could, a ref is not going to check the air pressure prior to every play. It's not an exact science and would slow the game down tremendously. Especially for teams trying to play HUNH.
Use your god damned brain man.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:43 am to lsurulz1515
Most threads go to complete crap around here within 6-8 responses. If you have a question that is a bit different from the OP, it is usually overwhelmed by 3 guys griping at each other over nothing.
So, I have my own question. If it has been asked and answered before, I haven't seen it. Point me to it and I'll be grateful.
So, I have my own question. If it has been asked and answered before, I haven't seen it. Point me to it and I'll be grateful.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:46 am to PTBob
I can tell if a football or basketball is where it supposed to be air pressure wise by feeling it. If you are over 12 years old you have a pretty good sense of where a ball is supposed to be.
Why don't you get a cup of coffee and do something else? You are being an arse.
The controversy is stupid because it has been taking up every newscast since the game last weekend. I am sick of it, but from all of the discussion, I had a question.
What is your freaking problem? Just go away.
Why don't you get a cup of coffee and do something else? You are being an arse.
The controversy is stupid because it has been taking up every newscast since the game last weekend. I am sick of it, but from all of the discussion, I had a question.
What is your freaking problem? Just go away.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:46 am to AlaTiger
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Was the NFL in on this to make for a better game in the cold or to give the Patriots an advantage?
50 degrees in January is not cold.
This is not a story. Does anyone actually think deflated footballs helped New England win this game? The final score was 45-7. Deflated footballs didn't help Blount run for 148 yards. Even two Colts players have come out and said "the footballs aren't why New England kicked the shite out of us, they were just a better football team".
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:47 am to AlaTiger
You can tell if a ball is flat. You cannot tell the difference between small amounts of PSI. That is what we are talking about here.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:49 am to PTBob
quote:it actually is..
It's not an exact science
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:50 am to mylsuhat
not in between plays it's not. it's not realistic to check pressure with a gauge between plays.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:50 am to VADawg
quote:
quote: Was the NFL in on this to make for a better game in the cold or to give the Patriots an advantage?
50 degrees in January is not cold.
This is not a story. Does anyone actually think deflated footballs helped New England win this game? The final score was 45-7. Deflated footballs didn't help Blount run for 148 yards. Even two Colts players have come out and said "the footballs aren't why New England kicked the shite out of us, they were just a better football team".
I agree with all of that 100%. I completey ignored this for the first few days. This is my first post/comment on the issue at all because it seemed like a made up controversy.
My point is that if it is such a big deal, why didn't the Refs notice it? Aren't they the Refs?
If the Refs couldn't even tell that the balls were deflated and it was that big of a deal, then either they are incompentent or corrupt. Both of which should be the bigger story.
Or, (and this is where this should lead us), the third option is that it wasn't that big of a deal and we should leave it alone.
I side with the third option, personally. But, since this won't go away, why aren't we talking about the refs? I'd rather it be over with.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:52 am to AlaTiger
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I side with the third option, personally
I'm right there with you. Unfortunately, most football fans have an irrational hatred of New England and won't let this go. I don't hate them. I respect any QB/coach combo who have been to 9 conference championship games in 13 seasons (Brady missed all of 2008). That's an incredible stat.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 9:57 am to AlaTiger
My theory for what it is worth...
The NFL refs being human never inspected the balls before the game - they have inspected the balls so many times before and they were within range that they have just stopped doing them (for the most part) or they check just one.
Now the theory splits - the Pats knew this tendency of the refs and never filled them to the proper PSI hoping the refs would overlook
OR
The Pats inadvertently did not fill them to correct PSI (bad gauge or something - crap happens) and since the refs did not really inspect them (but said they did of course since they are supposed too) we end up with this mess.
The refs would never admit to not checking them just like the Pats will never admit to relieving the air pressure after they were checked.
The NFL refs being human never inspected the balls before the game - they have inspected the balls so many times before and they were within range that they have just stopped doing them (for the most part) or they check just one.
Now the theory splits - the Pats knew this tendency of the refs and never filled them to the proper PSI hoping the refs would overlook
OR
The Pats inadvertently did not fill them to correct PSI (bad gauge or something - crap happens) and since the refs did not really inspect them (but said they did of course since they are supposed too) we end up with this mess.
The refs would never admit to not checking them just like the Pats will never admit to relieving the air pressure after they were checked.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:07 am to AlaTiger
The balls weren't flat where it was obvious, they had lower air pressure where it is not obvious.
And the one properly inflated football was so if Tom Brady had to throw a hail mary because properly inflated footballs fly further than deflated footballs.
And the one properly inflated football was so if Tom Brady had to throw a hail mary because properly inflated footballs fly further than deflated footballs.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:08 am to AlaTiger
The NFL is as responsible for the balls not being properly inflated as anyone. It's their responsibility to inspect the balls pre-game, and it's their naivety/stupidity that allows each team to select and alter the game balls they use.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:08 am to lsurulz1515
quote:
looking at the first two pages of the MSB, 11/40 threads discuss deflation gate. Why can't we have one stickied thread for this, instead of cluttering up the board with over 25% of the posts?
NFL board.
Most popular sport in the country doesn't have its own board? Stoopid.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:17 am to PTBob
quote:
You can tell if a ball is flat. You cannot tell the difference between small amounts of PSI. That is what we are talking about here.
this. Especially when its cold. The balls get really hard.
now im not condoning it. They should be punished cause lets face it, they did it intentionally and for a reason
Posted on 1/23/15 at 10:18 am to VADawg
quote:
is is not a story. Does anyone actually think deflated footballs helped New England win this game? The final score was 45-7. Deflated footballs didn't help Blount run for 148 yards. Even two Colts players have come out and said "the footballs aren't why New England kicked the shite out of us, they were just a better football team".
Exactly. The ball psi didn't have any impact on the Colts offense, who sucked.
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