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re: My guess at what happened.....
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:59 pm to vjp819
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:59 pm to vjp819
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Not only that but the LeBlanc bunch was spoiled all these years by the old man's money. When he remarried the family saw Rita as a threat, and treated her like shite. The old man could see it, and Rita I'm sure complained about it. Finally she saw this as a way of getting revenge, and she persuaded him to take this action. One more thing. His adopted daughter looks like a man.
I think you have Gayle and Rita mixed up.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:33 pm to MMauler
I don't think they have thought that gar ahead. This could backfire badly.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:44 pm to udtiger
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I don't think they have thought that gar ahead. This could backfire badly.
Any lawyer not wanting to be sued for malpractice would have laid out IN WRITING the exact consequences to Rita, et. al., of having Benson declared incompetent BEFORE the filing of any suit. And, yes, that would definitely include consideration as to the contents of the last "good" will as that would be the controlling document.
Remember, this suit has two parts to it. The first is the irrevocable trust issue, which Rita, et. al., will almost certainly win unless Benson can come up with another $1.5-2 billion replacement for the value of the teams.
The second part of the suit is the incompetency declaration. I believe this part is simply about CURRENT control of the team. Again, it's purely a guess, but once Rita, et. al., win the first part, this part won't be as big of a deal. Basically, as the primary beneficiaries in a contentious trust, no trustee in the world is going to wipe his a$$ without getting permission from then beneficiaries to do so. And, if they don't agree, he'll run straight to a judge.
ETA: Benson will probably make some arguments about being pressured or fraudulently induced to place the team in trust. Maybe that's why he fired Rosenberg??? He might want to make the argument that Rita became close to Rosenberg and the two colluded to unduly pressure him to put the team in trust??? It's all speculation at this point.
This post was edited on 1/24/15 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:49 pm to MMauler
quote:And don't you think that Benson, his wife or reps would have consulted an attorney before cutting the Leblanc's off? Certainly if everyone in the general public expected a lawsuit from the Leblanc's, the Bensons' attorneys would have expected and prepared for the same.
Any lawyer not wanting to be sued for malpractice would have laid out IN WRITING the exact consequences to Rita, et. al., of having Benson declared incompetent BEFORE the filing of any suit. And, yes, that would definitely include consideration as to the contents of the last "good" will as that would be the controlling document. Remember, this suit has two parts to it. The first is the irrevocable trust issue, which Rita, et. al., will almost certainly win unless Benson can come up with another $1.5-2 million replacement for the value of the teams. The second part of the suit is the incompetency declaration. I believe this part is simply about CURRENT control of the team. Again, it's purely a guess, but once Rita, et. al., win the first part, this part won't be as big of a deal. Basically, as the primary beneficiaries in a contentious trust, no trustee in the world is going to wipe his a$$ without getting permission from then beneficiaries to do so. And, if they don't agree, he'll run straight to a judge.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:02 pm to NOSHAU
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And don't you think that Benson, his wife or reps would have consulted an attorney before cutting the Leblanc's off? Certainly if everyone in the general public expected a lawsuit from the Leblanc's, the Bensons' attorneys would have expected and prepared for the same.
Benson did. Phil Whittman and Paul Cordes.
Once the team was placed in trust, it was pretty much a done deal.
At that point, any attempt to take the team back would require that Benson fire the proverbial first shot. He did -- by instructing Cordes to basically get the teams back by substituting a nonrecourse note into the trust.
I guarantee you that Cordes has mounds of paperwork and CYA letters telling Benson what the probable result would be, i.e., a lawsuit. I don't know if he anticipated the competency issue -- that would probably depend upon whether he had any reason to believe that Benson was growing senile in any way. But, I guarantee you that Cordes told Benson that his action of trying to replace the teams with an unsecured promissory note would GUARANTEE a resulting lawsuit. At the very least, Cordes knew that any competent trustee would never take on that level of potential personal monetary exposure as he would certainly have been sued for breach of fiduciary duty for carrying out those instructions. And, there's no way Cordes didn't write several CYA letters.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:14 pm to MMauler
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his action of trying to replace the teams with an unsecured promissory note
That is what happened? Hilarious. Gayle didn't think that one through. You had an NFL and NBA team now you get a IOU guaranteed by nothing but hey it is written in 36 font size.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:29 pm to lsu13lsu
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That is what happened? Hilarious. Gayle didn't think that one through. You had an NFL and NBA team now you get a IOU guaranteed by nothing but hey it is written in 36 font size.
Yup. And, in doing so, he and his lawyers SEVERELY undervalued both teams.
If Benson had another $20 billion in cash or readily tradeable securities, or had put in hard assets that were equal in value to the true fair market value of the teams, this would have never seen the light of day. The parties would have negotiated as to the value of the teams and it would have all been done behind closed doors.
But, Benson just doesn't have "other assets" that are comparable in value to the two teams.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:00 pm to MMauler
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I think you mean Gayle (second wife) where you say Rita (spoiled partygirl granddaughter).
Gayle is the 3rd wife. First two died.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:13 pm to Martini
I've been trying to search for how his first wife died. Does anyone know? I know how the second died.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:46 pm to MMauler
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Yup. And, in doing so, he and his lawyers SEVERELY undervalued both teams.
If this is what really happened everyone on this board would be fighting it out in court. Including the ones who appear to hate Rita.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 7:11 pm to detmut
Thanks. Tom has been thru a lot with losing two wives, and at least one child to death. I sure hope he lives long enough to see the outcome he wants and deserves.
I used to have Brian Harris as a client (sold all of his car dealerships to Tom in the 80's and retired, only to come back and become successful again in Baton Rouge and other areas) and he always speaks highly of Tom.
I used to have Brian Harris as a client (sold all of his car dealerships to Tom in the 80's and retired, only to come back and become successful again in Baton Rouge and other areas) and he always speaks highly of Tom.
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