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re: Chavis's departure will end up being a blessing
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:08 pm to Duckie
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:08 pm to Duckie
quote:
Great coach, but...
I'm starting to re-think his "greatness" in light of a Ranters post of the actual numbers:
QUOTE:
2004... Last year of Muschamp D, gave up 256 yds a game
In comes Pellini
2005 266 yds Total D
2006 242
2007 288
2008 Co D Coordinator disaster... 325
2009 in comes Chavis... 327... total yds went up, worse than the Co DC disaster
2010 307
2011 261.. was it Chavis brilliance or a D that had 7 players drafted in first three rounds??
2012 307
2013 talent drained to NFL.. 340 ...worse than the co d.c. experiment
2014 Talent pool level back on the rise...316
I think we got so blinded by the swag of the 2011 team (which numbers-wise still wasn't as good as Muschamp or Pelini's best years) that we let Chavis borrow "greatness" prestige from "great" LSU defenses of the past.
In reality, in 6 years with Chavis, we lost 18 regular season games, and lost 4 of 6 bowl games.
In the previous 4 years (counting one 5 loss season that fricks up the curve), LSU avg'd 2.5 losses per year, and won 4 of 4 bowl games.
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:10 pm to LSUbest
LSU simply has to step up and get better LBers...impact LBers. Of the last 13 LBers that LSU has signed, IMO only 3 are/will be studs K Alexander, K Beckwith, C Garrett (assuming he will be). Some never touched the field for LSU, several transfered, etc.
People keep talking about schemes as I do, blah, blah, blah. Hell, put aside the recruiting...put aside the schemes. I simply want a DC and a LBer coach who can evaluate talent. That is NOT recruiting...that is leading up as to WHO to recruit!
People keep talking about schemes as I do, blah, blah, blah. Hell, put aside the recruiting...put aside the schemes. I simply want a DC and a LBer coach who can evaluate talent. That is NOT recruiting...that is leading up as to WHO to recruit!
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:47 pm to EyeoftheTiger 2015
Wow, nice breakdown LSU Freek 
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:37 pm to bwallcubfan
quote:
Weren't you pretty upset at the Steele hiring?
This place is bipolar
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:19 pm to BilJ
You're posi-tiger of the week??!
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:27 pm to LSUFreek
quote:
I think we got so blinded by the swag of the 2011 team (which numbers-wise still wasn't as good as Muschamp or Pelini's best years)
I agree that Chavis was overrated, but you can't go off of total yardage as your big point.
Back when Muschamp was here, CFB didn't have anywhere near the amount of high powered offenses as they do now. Spread was still a gimmick as well.
For example in 2007, LSU was 26th ranked offense in the country at 439 ypg. In today's game that would get you a 40 spot, In 2004 that would get you 14th.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:44 pm to Datbayoubengal
LSU Defenses against Power 5 Opponents
Yards Per Play (Rank) Points Per Play (Rank) Third down % (Rank)
2005
4.0 (3) .23 (8) 27.6 (3)
2006
3.9 (3) .20 (5) 31.8 (15)
2007
4.2 (5) .29 (22) 35.1 (24)
2008
4.9 (45) .37 (60) 32.5 (16)
2009
4.6 (17) .22 (8) 36.7% (36)
2010
4.9 (26) .29 (19) 33.3 (8)
2011
4.0 (2) .16 (2) 36.8 (36)
2012
4.3 (7) .24 (10) 31.5 (9)
2013
5.1 (34) .32 (34) 39.5 (63)
2014
4.9 (26) 2.88 (17) 37.16 (33)
Considering the embarrassment of riches on the 2011-12 teams, I'm not particularly upset with Chavis moving on based on these statistics and the numerous collapses at the end of halves (and games).
No guarantee that Steele will do any better, but this doesn't suggest a $1.7 million coordinator to me.
Yards Per Play (Rank) Points Per Play (Rank) Third down % (Rank)
2005
4.0 (3) .23 (8) 27.6 (3)
2006
3.9 (3) .20 (5) 31.8 (15)
2007
4.2 (5) .29 (22) 35.1 (24)
2008
4.9 (45) .37 (60) 32.5 (16)
2009
4.6 (17) .22 (8) 36.7% (36)
2010
4.9 (26) .29 (19) 33.3 (8)
2011
4.0 (2) .16 (2) 36.8 (36)
2012
4.3 (7) .24 (10) 31.5 (9)
2013
5.1 (34) .32 (34) 39.5 (63)
2014
4.9 (26) 2.88 (17) 37.16 (33)
Considering the embarrassment of riches on the 2011-12 teams, I'm not particularly upset with Chavis moving on based on these statistics and the numerous collapses at the end of halves (and games).
No guarantee that Steele will do any better, but this doesn't suggest a $1.7 million coordinator to me.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:48 pm to IsaacBrown2
quote:
To me, Chavis was a product of Patrick Peterson, Honey Badger, Mingo, Brockers, Logan, Minter, Reid, Simon, Claiborne, and the list goes on. It would be hard pressed to screw up that talent. But I heard some say that it wasn't his fault because we were young and "Les" did bring in the talent. Well, when your DC is too lazy to recruit, also is not a great teacher.....how can you sustain excellence?
and great post top to bottomPosted on 1/20/15 at 8:49 pm to BilJ
It already is. The proof will begin to manifest on NSD. The Aggies solved a problem for us that Joe and Les couldn't.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:53 pm to LSUFreek
quote:
In reality, in 6 years with Chavis, we lost 18 regular season games, and lost 4 of 6 bowl games
Gig em
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:07 pm to IsaacBrown2
I wanted Chavis gone for a long time. I'm glad he's gone.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 9:18 pm to Datbayoubengal
I agree with you and don't think comparing yardage over the years is the standard...not only the spread as you mentioned but simply the frequency of plays...lots more plays from the LOS than in past years due to tempo.
HOWEVER, here is an indisputable indictment about Chavis. You are 13th out of 14th in the SEC in making sacks and 11th out of 14th in forcing INTs, and I can guarantee one thing. You are playing a passive defense. Also you give up late leads in games and allow 3rd and longs and 4th and longs....you are playing a passive defense. It IS as simple as that.
HOWEVER, here is an indisputable indictment about Chavis. You are 13th out of 14th in the SEC in making sacks and 11th out of 14th in forcing INTs, and I can guarantee one thing. You are playing a passive defense. Also you give up late leads in games and allow 3rd and longs and 4th and longs....you are playing a passive defense. It IS as simple as that.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 10:52 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:
wanted Chavis gone for a long time. I'm glad he's gone.
I've just been very meh towards Chavis, his legend among some of our fans has far out grown his actual coaching abilities
Posted on 1/21/15 at 2:08 am to BilJ
We will see how it plays out, definite upgrade in recruiting.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 8:04 am to BilJ
quote:
Chavis' scheme pretty much revolves around his front 7
Tell us more about the DC's out there that revolve their scheme around 4 db's.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 8:08 am to LSUFreek
quote:
QUOTE:
2004... Last year of Muschamp D, gave up 256 yds a game
In comes Pellini
2005 266 yds Total D
2006 242
2007 288
2008 Co D Coordinator disaster... 325
2009 in comes Chavis... 327... total yds went up, worse than the Co DC disaster
2010 307
2011 261.. was it Chavis brilliance or a D that had 7 players drafted in first three rounds??
2012 307
2013 talent drained to NFL.. 340 ...worse than the co d.c. experiment
2014 Talent pool level back on the rise...316
I think we got so blinded by the swag of the 2011 team (which numbers-wise still wasn't as good as Muschamp or Pelini's best years) that we let Chavis borrow "greatness" prestige from "great" LSU defenses of the past.
WOW, this is eye opening, I liked Chavis, but why exactly were we paying him 1.3 mil a year? And how did he parlay that into 1.6 at A&M?
Seems like this was a divorce that needed to happen.
Looking forward to the future!
Posted on 1/21/15 at 8:27 am to GeeOH
I'm just saying he leans heavily, especially on his DL to generate his pass rush frick face. Seems most understood what I was getting at, I'm sorry you're dumb.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 8:49 am to GeeOH
Actually, IMO, one of Chavis' mistakes was his defensive scheme REVOLVED around the DBs...unfortunately too many of them. Why did LSU recruit like 1 billion (slight exaggeration) DBs and small LBers every year and not enough normal sized LBers? Because he wanted to play nickel...he wanted to play dime/mustang..I guess if he put 7 out there it would be called quarter. His hybrid LBer package should have gone out with cassettes. You can't rush 4 on 3rd and longs and then drop the other 7 back past the first down sticks! That was Chavis problem in a nutshell. I think Steele will play 3rd down like he does 1st and 2nd. Chavis never did.
I know i will like Steele when he recruits a decent number of normal sized LBers...which I expect him to do starting in 2016.
His hybrid LBer package should have gone out with cassettes. You can't rush 4 on 3rd and longs and then drop the other 7 back past the first down sticks! That was Chavis problem in a nutshell. I think Steele will play 3rd down like he does 1st and 2nd. Chavis never did. I know i will like Steele when he recruits a decent number of normal sized LBers...which I expect him to do starting in 2016.
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 8:51 am
Posted on 1/21/15 at 10:48 am to BilJ
quote:
quote:
wanted Chavis gone for a long time. I'm glad he's gone.
I've just been very meh towards Chavis, his legend among some of our fans has far out grown his actual coaching abilities
Because he was the bright spot due to the offensive woes of the past few years (2013 the exception). Once Chavis left, it was easier to breakdown the numbers and see reality.
Easier is that people could see past an "attack on their coach" and just look at the numbers. Chavis was a good coach for LSU. He made his rep on his defense vs. TX A&M and Manziel. Against power running teams or more bowl control offenses, he schemes had problems. His blitz package was getting dated and predictable. Those are just the facts.
People were lukewarm on Steele because he was not the latest/greatest name DC at the moment. There are some knocks on him but those are outweighed by the positives. Overall, Chavis moved on and that is best for him and LSU.
I wonder if Sumlin did the amount of due diligence Miles did? Will Chavis' scheme fit Sumlin's offense gameplan? Can the Aggies get the talent necessary to make Chavis' defense good enough? Many Aggies stated Chavis' defense does not have to be as good as it was at LSU, just better than the crappy defense they the past few years. Really, it is Sumlin's great (final?) play. If the wins don't start happening, TCU continues to upswing, and/or UT starts to rebound, then Chavis will be sitting home at the start of year 3 of his contract collecting some nice Aggie dollars.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 1:02 pm to EyeoftheTiger 2015
quote:
HOWEVER, here is an indisputable indictment about Chavis. You are 13th out of 14th in the SEC in making sacks and 11th out of 14th in forcing INTs, and I can guarantee one thing. You are playing a passive defense. Also you give up late leads in games and allow 3rd and longs and 4th and longs....you are playing a passive defense. It IS as simple as that.
I agree with this 100%. People can say what they want, but I believe our talent was the only reason our defenses were so damn good 2010-2012.
We were top 20 in sacks, TFL, and ints during that time span. We have since fallen waaay back. We aren't playing dominant, aggressive defense. When we don't have the playmakers, Chavis' scheme is exposed.
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