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Seahawks Fans: Russell Wilson Isn't Elite (HuffPo article)
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:57 am
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:57 am
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It's not hard to like Russell Wilson. He's young, he's exciting, he obviously wears his emotions on his sleeve. Oh, and he's also a Super Bowl champion with another potential ring on the way.
Liking him, however, is different than agreeing with the current narrative of Wilson the superstar, Wilson the elite, Wilson the unstoppable. Even though ESPN canceled the show, the maxim still stands: numbers never lie, and in Wilson's case, the truth hurts. He's not a superstar and he's not elite; he's simply, well, good.
Let me start with some names: Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan and Carson Palmer. All of these fellow QBs outpassed Russell Wilson this year, but not in the conventional way. No, just going by passing yards and touchdowns is misleading. Instead, we'll go the advanced analytics route, in order to tell you the real story.
You see, throwing for 300 yards against a terrible defense like the Redskins means a lot less than doing it against the Texans. So the first thing we'll do is adjust the performances, taking the strength of the opposition in mind.
The second thing we'll do is re-adjust what we consider important. After all, simply racking up meaningless yards doesn't really tell us much (isn't that right, Bears fans?). What really matters is putting points on the board. By applying a mathematical concept called the Markov chain to a drive of football, we can determine the impact of each individual play on the team's ability to score points. In essence, we're measuring a QB's ability to generate points for his team.
After doing these handy adjustments -- the same adjustments used inside every team's war room, I should add -- Russell Wilson grades out to a 0.10 NEP/P, meaning that for each pass he throws, he creates an additional 0.10 points for his team in comparison to an average QB.
In other words, he's 0.10 points better per play than Shaun Hill.
So Wilson is a 0.10. What does that mean? Well, as mentioned above, he's behind Sanchez, Flacco, Rivers, Ryan, and Palmer, not to mention the true elites. It puts him No. 14 in the NFL, just about smack dab in the middle.
But what about his rushing ability? Glad you brought that up! His rushing NEP/P is a stout 0.62, a number rivaled only by Michael Vick in his prime. Still, even with adding his rushing efficiency in, Russell Wilson still only moves to No. 9 on the list; still behind Flacco, still behind Ryan.
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:00 pm to iPadThai
quote:
It's not hard to like Russell Wilson
Author has obviously never been on TD
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:01 pm to iPadThai
He's got god on his side though, so there's that.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:05 pm to iPadThai
quote:So he is the 9th best QB according to this guys weird arse metric, and that is supposed to be a negative? 9th best QB in a league of 32 is pretty damn good for a guy in only his 3rd year
But what about his rushing ability? Glad you brought that up! His rushing NEP/P is a stout 0.62, a number rivaled only by Michael Vick in his prime. Still, even with adding his rushing efficiency in, Russell Wilson still only moves to No. 9 on the list; still behind Flacco, still behind Ryan.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:05 pm to iPadThai
Is there anything left of the horse at this point?
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:07 pm to iPadThai
So basically, Wilson is between 6-10 when it comes to NFL quarterbacks.
Like all the smart people say.
Like all the smart people say.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:09 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Exactly. According to this board, I am the "king of the Wilson fanboy club", and I put him at 6 or 7. The haters literally make up things to hate on him for. "He isnt the GOAT!!!!!!!! He is not the BEST QB!!!!!!"
So basically, Wilson is between 6-10 when it comes to NFL quarterbacks.
Like all the smart people say.
Who said he was?
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:10 pm to iPadThai
Who cares if he is elite or not? Dude is going to have 2 super bowl rings after this year.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:10 pm to lsupride87
The highest I could see someone arguing him is 6, and the lowest is 10th.
For me, the highest I could make the argument for him this year is 7th. The lowest is 8th. Because I think he was better than Brees.
Saints fans hate me for that.
For me, the highest I could make the argument for him this year is 7th. The lowest is 8th. Because I think he was better than Brees.
Saints fans hate me for that.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:13 pm to Bags of Milk
Elite QB vs very good QB discussion often results in death on TD.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:18 pm to boom roasted
Some of you are pathetic
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:22 pm to FlappingPierre
Some people on this board saying he isn't a top 15 QB. People seem to forget he also ran for almost 1,000 yards as well
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:23 pm to iPadThai
quote:
Seahawks Fans: Russell Wilson Isn't Elite
I'm no Seahawks fan, but if I were, I wouldn't give even one frick if some deskjockey believes my QB is "elite" especially after winning back to back Super Bowls.
Kind of like the Patrick Roy quote from 96 "I can't really hear what Jeremy says, because I got my two Stanley Cup rings plugged in my ears"
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:24 pm to iPadThai
Has anyone ever called him elite? He's in the 3rd year of his career. So he has tons of room to grow.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:10 pm to lsupride87
quote:The overall point is that he's not elite, so if you, hypothetically, assume 9th is correct, you're admitting he's not elite...which is the author's entire point.
So he is the 9th best QB according to this guys weird arse metric, and that is supposed to be a negative? 9th best QB in a league of 32 is pretty damn good for a guy in only his 3rd year
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:15 pm to shel311
quote:Ok. I am going to write an article pointing out the sky is not red. Im sure there are 1 or 2 people somewhere saying it is red so an article needs to be written with precise measurements proving those two people wrong
The overall point is that he's not elite, so if you, hypothetically, assume 9th is correct, you're admitting he's not elite...which is the author's entire point.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:37 pm to iPadThai
So he wrote an article for the dumb people who think he's "elite"?
Someone dumb enough to call him elite wouldn't understand an that shite he wrote. That was pointless.
Someone dumb enough to call him elite wouldn't understand an that shite he wrote. That was pointless.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 1:38 pm
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