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Would Tom Brady matter had he gone in the first round?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:18 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:18 am
I'm a big Tom Brady fan, but if he had gone in the first round to the Jets instead of Pennington, would he still be in the league today?
I tend to believe that all of the NFL "busts", at least at QB, could have actually been successful had they been drafted later into a better situation. That was Brady. But if he had went early to a shitty team and been thrust out there from the beginning, I don't think we even know about him today.
I tend to believe that all of the NFL "busts", at least at QB, could have actually been successful had they been drafted later into a better situation. That was Brady. But if he had went early to a shitty team and been thrust out there from the beginning, I don't think we even know about him today.
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:20 am to alabamabuckeye
Didn't the Jets make the playoffs a few times with Chad Pennington?
So yeah, I'm pretty sure Brady could have been okay in that situation. Would he be the player we know him as today? I have no idea.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure Brady could have been okay in that situation. Would he be the player we know him as today? I have no idea.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:23 am to alabamabuckeye
The draft process in American sports is insane when you think about it. People's lives are shaped by who drafts them. In every other profession you can decide who to work for.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 1:24 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:29 am to SwaggerCopter
So many talented players get drafted into shitty situations and have their entire careers ruined, it's definitely crazy. Like anything else in life, there's a fair bit of luck involved, and while Brady is a great QB, I also think he was very lucky to fall to where he did.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 5:46 am to alabamabuckeye
How was Brady thrust into a good situation? It's not like New England was amazing at the start of the year. They were 8-8 the previous season, Pete Carroll had just been fired, Belichicks first year. Brady got thrust into the starter role as a rookie because Bledsoe got injured, if he doesn't play well and eventually beat out Bledsoe even after he got healthy again who knows how his career turns out. But all the credit in the world needs to go to Brady, because he wasn't drafted into a good situation.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 6:57 am to alabamabuckeye
IF: the largest word in the dictionary.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 7:10 am to alabamabuckeye
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I tend to believe that all of the NFL "busts", at least at QB, could have actually been successful had they been drafted later into a better situation.
Completely agree with this part.
So much of a players success, especially QB, depends on the system and fit.
If Brady wasn't with the Pats and Belichick I don't know how good he would do. I think he would still be successful, but not 3 rings successful.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 7:12 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:46 am to Frac the world
Being able to sit behind Bledsoe and have Belichick as his HC is a pretty great situation to be in, especially when compared to a QB who gets drafted first by a team like the Jets or Raiders, because there is zero help across the board.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:54 am to alabamabuckeye
The whole premise of this thread is just so idiotic.
This year alone ... here you have a QB that visibly showed fire and leadership on the sidelines and brought his team back from not one, but two, 14-pt deficits against a playoff-hardened veteran opponent...and won.
Then, same QB leads a blow-out effort in the AFC Championship game.
He's also won 3 SBs and narrowly lost 2 others.
He's also married to a Supermodel.
Across the way, you've got Manning who went to a SB-ready team and still cannot fricking get it done.
Yet...people ask dumb fricking questions about Brady ... an absolute WINNER if there ever was one.
SMH.
This year alone ... here you have a QB that visibly showed fire and leadership on the sidelines and brought his team back from not one, but two, 14-pt deficits against a playoff-hardened veteran opponent...and won.
Then, same QB leads a blow-out effort in the AFC Championship game.
He's also won 3 SBs and narrowly lost 2 others.
He's also married to a Supermodel.
Across the way, you've got Manning who went to a SB-ready team and still cannot fricking get it done.
Yet...people ask dumb fricking questions about Brady ... an absolute WINNER if there ever was one.
SMH.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:57 am to navy
Would Tom had met Gizelle is the only question that matters.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 2:58 pm to navy
You clearly didn't even read the OP.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:03 pm to alabamabuckeye
Interesting question. Its not like he lit it up or made a Heisman run at Michigan. The situation a player is drafted into has to be a huge part of success/failure.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:24 pm to alabamabuckeye
Brady is an interesting case because it is just the perfect example of a coach and player completely meshing.
Belichick probably doesn't become a legend without Brady, either, though I wouldn't have doubted he would have won one of those three Super Bowls.
Brady went in the sixth round for a reason and you have to wonder how his career would have fared if he would have gone to Oakland or the Jets as a first rounder, gets tossed into the fire immediately and has to deal with crushing expectations as a rookie with inferior coaching, potentially getting booed, getting his confidence knocked early, etc.
Belichick probably doesn't become a legend without Brady, either, though I wouldn't have doubted he would have won one of those three Super Bowls.
Brady went in the sixth round for a reason and you have to wonder how his career would have fared if he would have gone to Oakland or the Jets as a first rounder, gets tossed into the fire immediately and has to deal with crushing expectations as a rookie with inferior coaching, potentially getting booed, getting his confidence knocked early, etc.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:31 pm to Walking the Earth
He got drafted where he got drafted and by the team that drafted him.
Not all QBs whine like bitches just to go to the Giants instead of the Chargers ... or, the Broncos instead of the Colts.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:39 pm to navy
It's not like Pennington or any of the other good QBs suddenly forgot how to play football after being drafted. Yes, the NFL is on complete other level, but you can't tell me that Pennington wouldn't have been as successful as Brady if he had been drafted by the Pats in the 6th instead. There is such a thing as "right place right time" in the NFL, and Brady was on the good side of that scenario.
That's not to take away from anything that Brady has done, because he is the GOAT.
That's not to take away from anything that Brady has done, because he is the GOAT.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:45 pm to alabamabuckeye
For some odd reason, he thinks this is a Manning-Brady pissing contest when he's the only one bringing it up. 
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:47 pm to alabamabuckeye
Penington was really good, he just couldn't keep his shoulder together and was throwing Manning Noodles before Fetus Forehead made them popular.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:49 pm to Walking the Earth
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For some odd reason, he thinks this is a Manning-Brady pissing contest when he's the only one bringing it up.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 3:51 pm to Frac the world
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It's not like New England was amazing at the start of the year. They were 8-8 the previous season, Pete Carroll had just been fired, Belichicks first year. Brady got thrust into the starter role as a rookie because Bledsoe got injured,
Ummm, you missed an entire year there. Belichick went 5-11 in his first year with the Patriots, a season in which rookie Tom Brady appeared in one game. You're thinking of the his second season.
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