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Dog training help - teaching a retriever to hold after retrieve
Posted on 1/14/15 at 5:40 am
Posted on 1/14/15 at 5:40 am
Morning gents! New addition to the family is a 1/2 black lab 1/2 golden. Turns 1 this week and doing well on her basics - sit, won't go till sent on a retrieve, good at finding and bringing back and heals but won't hold. She droops it at feet as soon as she gets back to me. Not really a huge deal to me but would appreciate any suggestions as to how to teach her to hold. OB thoughts on this?
Thanks
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:19 am to hunt66
Do you reward him when he drops it? If so, you will want to hold off rewarding him until you tell him to drop it.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 7:26 am to mamoutiga
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Do you reward him when he drops it
I do not. Pick it up and then make her hold it -and she will - then I say "give it" and she drops it. I can do that as often as I want but then she will go out on the next retrieve and still return and drop it and sit. Every once in a while she gets it right and then I reward her so may just be a function of continued training. Planning to keep at it but always looking for advice from experienced folks. Thanks!
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:05 am to hunt66
check out the book "water dog". good reference, but unrealistic time frames. the writer has a good method for teaching this that i used when my lab was still around 
it's been a few years since i read it so i don't want to quote bc of possible inaccuracies.
it's been a few years since i read it so i don't want to quote bc of possible inaccuracies.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:09 am to hunt66
Best dogs you can get. I have a pair of them that are litter mates. They are super smart.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:13 am to hunt66
I just kept putting the bumper in my dogs mouth when he would drop it and hold my finger right by his face. If he dropped it, I made him pick it up and did the same thing
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:41 am to bourbon
Reinforcement by pain doesn't work on some dogs. Pinching ears and shock collars didn't work at all for my dog. Verbal negative and positive comments worked the best.
That being said, don't force it on the dog. If she doesn't go with it, don't push it. You could end up mentally damaging her. Just try another technique.
When I used to scold or slap my dog, I always made sure to wait a couple of minutes and then make nice with him. I wanted him to know that I wasn't happy at that specific thing, not angry with him in general
That being said, don't force it on the dog. If she doesn't go with it, don't push it. You could end up mentally damaging her. Just try another technique.
When I used to scold or slap my dog, I always made sure to wait a couple of minutes and then make nice with him. I wanted him to know that I wasn't happy at that specific thing, not angry with him in general
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:48 am to hunt66
Holding is a must for a quality picture for Facebook and/or Instagram.
I have the same problem with my lab, so let me know if you find something that works.
I have the same problem with my lab, so let me know if you find something that works.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:50 am to Hammertime
I just started walking away when mine did that. I tried to act like I was ignoring him, and it worked.
He would pick it up and try and bring it to me so I would keep throwing it.
He would pick it up and try and bring it to me so I would keep throwing it.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:05 am to Hammertime
Agreed, but it helps to know your dog and what they respond best to.
Seen a lot of dogs scarred for life by overzealous shock collars.
Da Hammer can provide some info as well.
Seen a lot of dogs scarred for life by overzealous shock collars.
Da Hammer can provide some info as well.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:11 am to bourbon
Force fetch did not work on my GSP.
However, it is important for a dog to get comfortable with holding a bird. They need to get accustom to the taste of the bird and breathing while holding it.
I just hold the bird in his mouth and hold his muzzle shut. I have to do it the first hunt of every year.
However, it is important for a dog to get comfortable with holding a bird. They need to get accustom to the taste of the bird and breathing while holding it.
I just hold the bird in his mouth and hold his muzzle shut. I have to do it the first hunt of every year.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:13 am to bourbon
My dog had a shock collar on him for one single day and that was enough for me. Couldn't even feel it until 7, and when I turned it up to 9, he'd piss everywhere.
Got rid of it and did the training the old way. Worked perfectly in my opinion. I've only had, to hit him twice from age 2 to 7, which is pretty fricking good in my book. I don't put up with any amount of insubordination either
Got rid of it and did the training the old way. Worked perfectly in my opinion. I've only had, to hit him twice from age 2 to 7, which is pretty fricking good in my book. I don't put up with any amount of insubordination either
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:14 am to bourbon
if you want your dog to be at heel when they release the bird.....that is advanced. if you just want to be able to take it from them, take a couple of steps back as your dog approaches, take the bumper/duck from them with the command to drop/give. praise the heck out of them. they will get the hang of it after a few sessions.
once you are getting that you can move to the holding through heel command.
once you are getting that you can move to the holding through heel command.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:28 am to ReelFun
Good advice guys. I'll have a new pup in about 7 weeks and will be doing the training myself. Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:34 am to hunt66
Do you have any training experience at all? If so, you need to force fetch the dog. The only times I've ever seen force fetching not work were in cases in which the trainer didn't understand how to read his/her dog. Dropping at your feet on heel is dominance behavior and force fetching will correct that. Again though, if you don't know what you're doing, it's best to let someone else do it. It's very easy to mess up a dog through force training.
eta: I've never seen a force fetched pointer...just retrievers.
eta: I've never seen a force fetched pointer...just retrievers.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 9:36 am
Posted on 1/14/15 at 9:45 am to bluemoons
I will 100% force fetch my GWP
Posted on 1/14/15 at 10:47 am to PapaPogey
Stay away from water dog. It's outdated. 10 min retrieve by Amy Dahl is a good book on force fetching
Posted on 1/14/15 at 10:57 am to lsuson
First time I've heard that. I'll look into 10 min retrieve. Thanks
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:04 am to bourbon
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Seen a lot of dogs scarred for life by overzealous shock collars.
Problem is most don't know how to use an e-collar properly. If trained properly you should never have to "shock" correct your dog, all your corrections should be at the recognition level. If you use this as only a high level correction you should take it off your dog.
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