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Advocate article on Cam Cameron after the bowl game
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:10 pm
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I read this article after the bowl game, but coming on the heels of the bowl loss and Chavis walking, I didn't pay much attention. However, I went back and re-read it tonight and came away with a little better feeling about the offensive approach next year.
It's part of the coaching business to be cocky, but I appreciated the humility in Cam's comments to the NO TD Club. They were necessary in light of the performance this season, however, we've seen Miles gloss over and deflect more times that we can count around here.
While Cam did not come out and say he would be throwing out the entire offense in the offseason, he made it clear that the meshing of his and Miles' pro-style with spread elements is ongoing. They have been at it for a few weeks now since the bye week before the Texas A&M game, but that isn't much time to refine the entire playbook. That's the kind of thing that will have to happen in the offseason.
I'm looking forward to the Spring Game this year, and seeing if there is any progress, especially in Harris. I still expect us to run the ball a ton, but I also think we will start to see signs of where things are headed going into next year. Unfortunately, Miles is usually adamant about keeping the offense as vanilla as possible (even when it has been good) until SEC play, so we won't really know how far they are really going to take this until then.
I hate that it took 11/13ths of a season for Cam and Miles to figure out that the QBs were not capable of running our offense, but at least there are signs that the ship is slowly veering now. Hopefully the a change in execution will follow along with changes in the system.
I also thought Cam's comments on play calling were interesting. He made it clear that he is a play-calling coordinator. Hell, we all knew Miles couldn't be the one pulling the strings last season, but Cam did mention that both Miles and Frank Wilson are involved and collaborate with him from the sidelines. No one else has really come forward and given any insight into how that works at LSU that I can remember. At least not under Miles. That has always lead to speculation around here as to whether he was actively calling the game or not. I was also surprised to learn that Wilson plays a pretty active role, with Cam referring to him as his eyes and ears on the sideline.
It's certainly possible that all if Cam's comments are just PR. That's what these kinds of events a largely for. However, just because Miles has a habit a saying one thing and then doing the exact opposite doesn't mean that Cam follows suit. Most outside observers refer to him as a straight shooter. I am going into next year with an open mind after his success last season, assuming Harris get a legitimate shot a the QB spot. But if we repeat this year......so much for that.
Anyway, if you haven't read it yet, it's worth a look.
I read this article after the bowl game, but coming on the heels of the bowl loss and Chavis walking, I didn't pay much attention. However, I went back and re-read it tonight and came away with a little better feeling about the offensive approach next year.
It's part of the coaching business to be cocky, but I appreciated the humility in Cam's comments to the NO TD Club. They were necessary in light of the performance this season, however, we've seen Miles gloss over and deflect more times that we can count around here.
While Cam did not come out and say he would be throwing out the entire offense in the offseason, he made it clear that the meshing of his and Miles' pro-style with spread elements is ongoing. They have been at it for a few weeks now since the bye week before the Texas A&M game, but that isn't much time to refine the entire playbook. That's the kind of thing that will have to happen in the offseason.
I'm looking forward to the Spring Game this year, and seeing if there is any progress, especially in Harris. I still expect us to run the ball a ton, but I also think we will start to see signs of where things are headed going into next year. Unfortunately, Miles is usually adamant about keeping the offense as vanilla as possible (even when it has been good) until SEC play, so we won't really know how far they are really going to take this until then.
I hate that it took 11/13ths of a season for Cam and Miles to figure out that the QBs were not capable of running our offense, but at least there are signs that the ship is slowly veering now. Hopefully the a change in execution will follow along with changes in the system.
I also thought Cam's comments on play calling were interesting. He made it clear that he is a play-calling coordinator. Hell, we all knew Miles couldn't be the one pulling the strings last season, but Cam did mention that both Miles and Frank Wilson are involved and collaborate with him from the sidelines. No one else has really come forward and given any insight into how that works at LSU that I can remember. At least not under Miles. That has always lead to speculation around here as to whether he was actively calling the game or not. I was also surprised to learn that Wilson plays a pretty active role, with Cam referring to him as his eyes and ears on the sideline.
It's certainly possible that all if Cam's comments are just PR. That's what these kinds of events a largely for. However, just because Miles has a habit a saying one thing and then doing the exact opposite doesn't mean that Cam follows suit. Most outside observers refer to him as a straight shooter. I am going into next year with an open mind after his success last season, assuming Harris get a legitimate shot a the QB spot. But if we repeat this year......so much for that.
Anyway, if you haven't read it yet, it's worth a look.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:14 pm to misey94
I honestly believe that they thought "well if you give them enough reps, it'll click". Once that didn't work out and the season was shot, they tried to tailor things to the personnel. I saw some promising things in the last 2 games. They mixed it up a bit. I'll feel much better if they do that next season.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:15 pm to misey94
I saw him and coach Wilson speak at the NO QB club. They were both impressive.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:21 pm to misey94
Who calls the plays has only been speculation to those who don't know how it works. Cam doesn't get paid a shitload of money to sit in the booth and do crosswords
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:22 pm to Srbtiger06
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I honestly believe that they thought "well if you give them enough reps, it'll click". Once that didn't work out and the season was shot, they tried to tailor things to the personnel. I saw some promising things in the last 2 games. They mixed it up a bit. I'll feel much better if they do that next season.
I totally agree with this, and just wonder why they wouldn't have mixed in some of that stuff earlier.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:22 pm to misey94
Here is the thing, though: I knew that they were going to destroy Harris in the week between the NM St. game and the Auburn game. I predicted it exactly on this board, even the score of getting down 17-0. They were going to take everything that made Harris good and handcuff him to the offense that they wanted to run and he would buckle under the pressure. Sure enough, they spent the week with Harris under center and when they played him that way in the game, he couldn't handle their offense.
My question is, why could I see that - a complete novice at football execept for having watched it closely my whole life - and they couldn't? They know far more than I do. The answer is because they are so sold on their system and approach, that it took them most of the season to figure out that these kids weren't capable of running their offense, so they had to adapt. That is troubling, but understandable.
My question is, why could I see that - a complete novice at football execept for having watched it closely my whole life - and they couldn't? They know far more than I do. The answer is because they are so sold on their system and approach, that it took them most of the season to figure out that these kids weren't capable of running their offense, so they had to adapt. That is troubling, but understandable.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:27 pm to Srbtiger06
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I honestly believe that they thought "well if you give them enough reps, it'll click". Once that didn't work out and the season was shot, they tried to tailor things to the personnel. I saw some promising things in the last 2 games. They mixed it up a bit. I'll feel much better if they do that next season.
I have never coached football, but I understand the mindset you are talking about. I used to be a drumline instructor for schools that did multiple competitions years ago, while I was at LSU and for several years after. The only gig I ever got fired from (fairly early on in my career) was for that reason. I wasn't flexible in how I taught and tried to fit a square peg in a round hole.
Two signs of a good teacher are the ability to adapt and learn from mistakes. I see signs of Cam heading in this direction with the offense. I just hope he keeps it up.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:28 pm to AlaTiger
How hard is it to hand the ball off or throw to the first read?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:28 pm to misey94
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LSU meshes its play-calling as well. It’s a collaborative effort, Cameron said.
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“I can hear two or three guys and I’ve got to filter in my brain, ‘What do I feel like is the best call?’ Or I get a suggestion from Frank,” Cameron said.
This is probably why our offense appears as if it has zero identity. It's a malfunctioning hodgepodge of differing styles, opinions, and ideas.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:28 pm to AlaTiger
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Here is the thing, though: I knew that they were going to destroy Harris in the week between the NM St. game and the Auburn game. I predicted it exactly on this board, even the score of getting down 17-0. They were going to take everything that made Harris good and handcuff him to the offense that they wanted to run and he would buckle under the pressure. Sure enough, they spent the week with Harris under center and when they played him that way in the game, he couldn't handle their offense.
They obviously put a square peg into a round hole, but do you really think they did it out of spite or to make him look bad on purpose?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:32 pm to DanglingFury
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They obviously put a square peg into a round hole, but do you really think they did it out of spite or to make him look bad on purpose?
depends on is this is the first time they ran into this problem
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:33 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
The offense clearly became more innovative the last two games. The defense played well in the last half of the season except the bowl game. I thought the offense did well the last two games, TAM and ND. This is taking in account of LSU's QB play at the the time.
I'll never understand why Harris didn't get a chance at Arkansas...either 10-0 or especially 17-0. Yes it may not have mattered, but it brought me back to the NC game against Bama. When nothing is working, change something to make it work.
I'll never understand why Harris didn't get a chance at Arkansas...either 10-0 or especially 17-0. Yes it may not have mattered, but it brought me back to the NC game against Bama. When nothing is working, change something to make it work.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:34 pm to AlaTiger
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My question is, why could I see that - a complete novice at football execept for having watched it closely my whole life - and they couldn't? They know far more than I do. The answer is because they are so sold on their system and approach, that it took them most of the season to figure out that these kids weren't capable of running their offense, so they had to adapt. That is troubling, but understandable.
As a guy who's learned the hard way a few times, I also understand what you are getting at. It is very easy to get tunnel vision in the way you do things, especially when you have a lot of success with it. Cam's system looked like the dream fit for LSU last season. It was balanced, and complex enough that it was much harder for opponents to break down. But success isn't guaranteed year to year. It looks like Cam is open to adapt. I just hope MILES is willing to do the same.
As for you mr comments on Harris, you are spot on. The exact same thing happened with Jennings in the Outback Bowl. He went out in the Arkansas game last year and made one of the biggest single plays in recent memory. He was just playing in the moment, just like Harris against State and NMSU. Both looked lost and overwhelmed in their starts.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:36 pm to NotRight37
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I'll never understand why Harris didn't get a chance at Arkansas
because Harris couldn't run Miles offense which Cam was calling.
keep in mind they started combining the two offenses before a&m, and it was reported jennings had improved.
things must have started feeling a bit familiar to him
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:37 pm to Cs
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This is probably why our offense appears as if it has zero identity. It's a malfunctioning hodgepodge of differing styles, opinions, and ideas
I actually don't agree with this. We had an identity for most of the year. It was just ultra conservative and wasn't executed well at all when it came to the passing game.
Crowton's offense is what I think of when you talk about disjointed and lacking identity. He threw 10,000 formations out there, each with only one or two plays run out of it, making it as predictable as any other, while hard as hell for the team to run.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:41 pm to NotRight37
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The offense clearly became more innovative the last two games.
He's where I get concerned. It was more innovative, but as many on here have pointed out, it isn't enough. If they stop with a few sweeps and read options, the better defenses in the conference will eat is alive. They have to build out a full system based on these concepts. A handful of plays won't cut it.
Bottom line- is Miles wiling to change without screwing it up?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:44 pm to misey94
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I used to be a drumline instructor for schools that did multiple competitions
Stopped reading at this point.... Are you freaking serious? Don't you EVER.... EVER.... compare this again to football.... EVER!
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:49 pm to AlaTiger
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Here is the thing, though: I knew that they were going to destroy Harris in the week between the NM St. game and the Auburn game. I predicted it exactly on this board, even the score of getting down 17-0. They were going to take everything that made Harris good and handcuff him to the offense that they wanted to run and he would buckle under the pressure. Sure enough, they spent the week with Harris under center and when they played him that way in the game, he couldn't handle their offense
Go rewatch the highlights of that game. Harris was in the shotgun a ton.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:52 pm to DanglingFury
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They obviously put a square peg into a round hole, but do you really think they did it out of spite or to make him look bad on purpose?
No. Not at all. Think that they thought it would be easier to get one guy up to speed than to have 10 other guys change their approach mid season. But, what made Harris good in the MSU and NM St. games was that they were desperate and they let him wing it. They couldn't game plan that way for a whole week, so they tried to earn their money by coaching him up. It failed miserably and they didn't want to go back to him again. Perhaps they thought he wasn't ready to be coached THEIR way? They are the coaches and their philosophy is what goes, so I understand it. I have coached some basketball and I look for players to run my system. But, I have to change from year to year as the talent changes. It is hard to adapt midseason.
Maybe Cam will figure it out. Harris seems to have more upside. Even on the long TD throw in the Music City Bowl, Jennings almost didn't complete it. But, we'll see. Something has to get better.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:52 pm to DanglingFury
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