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QB Situaiton ; Dont Want Miller or Golson (long)
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:53 pm
I see all these threads popping up about the possiblity of getting Braxton Miller or Everett Golson and people are exciting and all that... and it just doesnt happen for me. Both of these QBs have major question marks and issues that a lot of people are overlooking.
Is Braxton Miller even going to be able to play QB anymore? He originally hurt his throwing shoulder vs Clemson in the Orange Bowl at the end of the 2013 season, had surgery in February, and then re-injured it during preseason while attempting a short, simple pass. He was not hit. 2 major injuries to his throwing shoulder less than 10 months apart and the 2nd was a non contact injury on a short throw. So we have no idea if hes even capable of playing QB agan and if he is, what type of QB will he be now? Whats his arm like now? And considering he likes to run, he could easily get hurt again and be done.
Miller also had the benefit of playing in a Urban Meyer system. I mean they are on their 3rd string QB right now and theres not a drop off in QB play. Why is that? Because its the freaking system. QBs put up good #s in his system, similar to QBs at TAMU. But Millers #s are inflated due to being in that very QB friendly system and playing weak defenses for the majority of his career.
And I hope people do realize that Everett Golston was BENCHED because of his play... They went 1-6 their last 7 games with Golson as the starting QB. And he had 14 INTs, 8 lost fumbles (12 fumbles total) for a total of 22 turnovers... in 9 games this year. 9. And he also took 27 sacks this year. And like Miller, Golson #s are inflated and also had the benefit of playing in a Brian Kelly system and against weak defenses in a lot of his games.
I think both of these players are overrated and dont think we would be that good with them like some people here think, especially with Golson. And what does this say about our staff and program? We rely on other teams cast offs and benchd QBs to come and play for us because we cant develop a QB into just an average QB, let alone an above average QB? Awesome... great rep to have. And Cameron only coached Mett for 1 season, and he was improved in that season than before no doubt, but he didnt fully develop Mett. He did some fine tuning with Mett. Plus, Mett was throwing to OBJ and Landry. That helps
We already have a QB that has more than enough talent to be a good QB for us in Brandon Harris. Hes got the talent and ability to be better than both Braxton Miller and def will be better than Golson. And yea some of you are gonna sit here and say "did you see the Auburn game?" and shite like that. That was the definition of throwing a QB to the wolves. Make him the starter his 1st game, on the road in a hostile environment against a damn good Auburn team. And that was when we had major issues with the OL + running game and our D couldnt stop anything. We were down by 17points in just 10minutes. And he also led us to our only TD for that game as well. Plus, you cant forget all the good things Harris did and showed us before that. Hell, at 1 point he led us to 7 TDs on 7 drives. Its hilarious some people have already decided that Harris sucks, will always suck, wont get any better than he was as a true freshman in his 1st start vs Auburn, etc. Hes already shown the type of talent he has and what he could be, and shown way more than Jennings.
Yes he struggled vs Auburn, but that doesnt mean that he doesnt have a lot of talent and ability. Go ask QB guru George Whitfield, who has worked with the likes of Cam Netwon and Andrew Luck and widely respected throughout all of college football and the NFL, about Brandon Harris and see what he says. Whitfield holds a camp for college QBs. And Whitfield came away very impressed to say the least. So much that he said "Harris was 1 of the biggest gets in the country last year" and that "there isnt a QB in that class with his arm talent and ability. He will develop and get bigger". He also said that "Hes going to be playing after college. Hes smart, hes wide eyed, he cares." And said that "Harris me of Jameis Winston." Thats the type of talent he has, and some of yall think he sucks and wont be any better than what he was vs Auburn. And thats ignorant, hilarious, and down right dumb.
When 1 of the best QB coaches in the entire country, a guy all the top QB prospects want to work with and someone that the NFL trusts, comes away impressed and raves about a young players ability and endorses his talent, I would take his word for it that you have got a young player with a lot of ability, talent, and potential.
Its up to our coaching staff to develop him into a polished QB and assist him in that by having a good / efficient offensive scheme. I know some of yall are already done with Cameron, and I get it. We havent seen shite from Jennings and hes not improved at all in his 2nd year under Cam. But, at the same time, I cant fully blame Cam for that because its obvious Jennings is not a talented QB and is very limited and at his best is still a below average QB (to put it nicely). So I will wait and see what happens with Harris, who is a QB that possesses a lot of talent and ability and arm strength, before I judge Cam.
But if Harris isnt improved or fails to show signs of developing and isnt getting closer to playing to his full potential , then the issue isnt with the players at QB. Its with the offensive staff, scheme, and our inability to develop a player into just an average QB. And thats a much bigger problem to have and we would have to make some major changes around here to fix that. Weve got a young QB with a lot of talent and ability to make every throw in the game.... can we develop him? So, IMO, this upcoming season is where we will get a lot of answers regarding our offensive staff, scheme, and ability to develop QBs. The ball is in their court, what are they gonna do with it?
Agree, disagree, say what you want, etc. but Miller and Golson arent the answer and we constantly wont be able to get lucky and get a QB to transfer here. They would just be prolonging the inevitable, which is actually getting the answer to the question we all are still curious about...."Do we have the coaches to develop a young player that has plenty of talent into a good QB? The scheme to help him out?"
Is Braxton Miller even going to be able to play QB anymore? He originally hurt his throwing shoulder vs Clemson in the Orange Bowl at the end of the 2013 season, had surgery in February, and then re-injured it during preseason while attempting a short, simple pass. He was not hit. 2 major injuries to his throwing shoulder less than 10 months apart and the 2nd was a non contact injury on a short throw. So we have no idea if hes even capable of playing QB agan and if he is, what type of QB will he be now? Whats his arm like now? And considering he likes to run, he could easily get hurt again and be done.
Miller also had the benefit of playing in a Urban Meyer system. I mean they are on their 3rd string QB right now and theres not a drop off in QB play. Why is that? Because its the freaking system. QBs put up good #s in his system, similar to QBs at TAMU. But Millers #s are inflated due to being in that very QB friendly system and playing weak defenses for the majority of his career.
And I hope people do realize that Everett Golston was BENCHED because of his play... They went 1-6 their last 7 games with Golson as the starting QB. And he had 14 INTs, 8 lost fumbles (12 fumbles total) for a total of 22 turnovers... in 9 games this year. 9. And he also took 27 sacks this year. And like Miller, Golson #s are inflated and also had the benefit of playing in a Brian Kelly system and against weak defenses in a lot of his games.
I think both of these players are overrated and dont think we would be that good with them like some people here think, especially with Golson. And what does this say about our staff and program? We rely on other teams cast offs and benchd QBs to come and play for us because we cant develop a QB into just an average QB, let alone an above average QB? Awesome... great rep to have. And Cameron only coached Mett for 1 season, and he was improved in that season than before no doubt, but he didnt fully develop Mett. He did some fine tuning with Mett. Plus, Mett was throwing to OBJ and Landry. That helps
We already have a QB that has more than enough talent to be a good QB for us in Brandon Harris. Hes got the talent and ability to be better than both Braxton Miller and def will be better than Golson. And yea some of you are gonna sit here and say "did you see the Auburn game?" and shite like that. That was the definition of throwing a QB to the wolves. Make him the starter his 1st game, on the road in a hostile environment against a damn good Auburn team. And that was when we had major issues with the OL + running game and our D couldnt stop anything. We were down by 17points in just 10minutes. And he also led us to our only TD for that game as well. Plus, you cant forget all the good things Harris did and showed us before that. Hell, at 1 point he led us to 7 TDs on 7 drives. Its hilarious some people have already decided that Harris sucks, will always suck, wont get any better than he was as a true freshman in his 1st start vs Auburn, etc. Hes already shown the type of talent he has and what he could be, and shown way more than Jennings.
Yes he struggled vs Auburn, but that doesnt mean that he doesnt have a lot of talent and ability. Go ask QB guru George Whitfield, who has worked with the likes of Cam Netwon and Andrew Luck and widely respected throughout all of college football and the NFL, about Brandon Harris and see what he says. Whitfield holds a camp for college QBs. And Whitfield came away very impressed to say the least. So much that he said "Harris was 1 of the biggest gets in the country last year" and that "there isnt a QB in that class with his arm talent and ability. He will develop and get bigger". He also said that "Hes going to be playing after college. Hes smart, hes wide eyed, he cares." And said that "Harris me of Jameis Winston." Thats the type of talent he has, and some of yall think he sucks and wont be any better than what he was vs Auburn. And thats ignorant, hilarious, and down right dumb.
When 1 of the best QB coaches in the entire country, a guy all the top QB prospects want to work with and someone that the NFL trusts, comes away impressed and raves about a young players ability and endorses his talent, I would take his word for it that you have got a young player with a lot of ability, talent, and potential.
Its up to our coaching staff to develop him into a polished QB and assist him in that by having a good / efficient offensive scheme. I know some of yall are already done with Cameron, and I get it. We havent seen shite from Jennings and hes not improved at all in his 2nd year under Cam. But, at the same time, I cant fully blame Cam for that because its obvious Jennings is not a talented QB and is very limited and at his best is still a below average QB (to put it nicely). So I will wait and see what happens with Harris, who is a QB that possesses a lot of talent and ability and arm strength, before I judge Cam.
But if Harris isnt improved or fails to show signs of developing and isnt getting closer to playing to his full potential , then the issue isnt with the players at QB. Its with the offensive staff, scheme, and our inability to develop a player into just an average QB. And thats a much bigger problem to have and we would have to make some major changes around here to fix that. Weve got a young QB with a lot of talent and ability to make every throw in the game.... can we develop him? So, IMO, this upcoming season is where we will get a lot of answers regarding our offensive staff, scheme, and ability to develop QBs. The ball is in their court, what are they gonna do with it?
Agree, disagree, say what you want, etc. but Miller and Golson arent the answer and we constantly wont be able to get lucky and get a QB to transfer here. They would just be prolonging the inevitable, which is actually getting the answer to the question we all are still curious about...."Do we have the coaches to develop a young player that has plenty of talent into a good QB? The scheme to help him out?"
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:56 pm to KG5989
quote:
Both of these QBs have major question marks and issues that a lot of people are overlooking.
They'd fit in perfectly
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:56 pm to KG5989
Not reading but if you don't want a one year trial run with miller, which'll give harris another year to mature and develop, then idk what's wrong with you bro.
I have no faith in AJ. After miller bolts then BH should be ready to run shite for his final 2 years
I have no faith in AJ. After miller bolts then BH should be ready to run shite for his final 2 years
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:57 pm to KG5989
Damn man , how long it take you to type all that. I'd welcome either on of em 100% improvement over what we got now
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:57 pm to ItsThatDude12
As if the QB's we have now don't have major question marks.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:58 pm to KG5989
Readers Digest for the tl dr crowd:
Braxton is injury prone and a product of the system of Urban Meyer. Lots of Risk. Golson is fools gold and a turnover machine and was benched for a reason. Guru Whitfield thinks highly of Harris. Jennings is no good. Cam needs to do his job and develop Harris into a stud or GTFO. Geaux Tigers.
Braxton is injury prone and a product of the system of Urban Meyer. Lots of Risk. Golson is fools gold and a turnover machine and was benched for a reason. Guru Whitfield thinks highly of Harris. Jennings is no good. Cam needs to do his job and develop Harris into a stud or GTFO. Geaux Tigers.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:59 pm to KG5989
quote:
We already have a QB that has more than enough talent to be a good QB for us in Brandon Harris.
Do we though?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:01 pm to Football_Freak
That's perfectly put and all that needs to be said.
I'm tired of people shitting on Harris just because Miles stuck with Jennings. Harris has more talent than both of those guys.
I'm tired of people shitting on Harris just because Miles stuck with Jennings. Harris has more talent than both of those guys.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:06 pm to KG5989
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KG5989
so keep playing AJ?
and I've got nothing against AJ. Likely he's just a victim of poor development (re: coaching)
so what's the worst that could happen if we get one or the other.
ETA: oh and waaayyyy tldr
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:09 pm to KG5989
I think you are missing the obvious.
Harris practiced every damn day the same as Jennings. However, for some reason the coaches decided to trot Jennings out there every week to hand off 30+ time and attempt 10-13 passes with a 50% completion percentage at best for around 60-75 yds. On his in-completions they sat and watched some of the most terrible passes I've ever seen. Yet still Harris couldn't get on the field.
So one thing you can do is blame this on the coaches. Which you did and which I think is very short sighted. I tend to believe that Harris was given every opportunity to succeed. At times listening to Miles during the offseason and pre-season (before SEC play) he was begging Harris to step up and take the job basically. The kid never did it......it may be a work ethic issue who knows, but I don't think you can blame the coaching staff for looking for a quick fix for next year (which is supposed to be our "year") given the evidence we have.
Harris practiced every damn day the same as Jennings. However, for some reason the coaches decided to trot Jennings out there every week to hand off 30+ time and attempt 10-13 passes with a 50% completion percentage at best for around 60-75 yds. On his in-completions they sat and watched some of the most terrible passes I've ever seen. Yet still Harris couldn't get on the field.
So one thing you can do is blame this on the coaches. Which you did and which I think is very short sighted. I tend to believe that Harris was given every opportunity to succeed. At times listening to Miles during the offseason and pre-season (before SEC play) he was begging Harris to step up and take the job basically. The kid never did it......it may be a work ethic issue who knows, but I don't think you can blame the coaching staff for looking for a quick fix for next year (which is supposed to be our "year") given the evidence we have.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:10 pm to sunnydaze
If you can't see that Miller has more ability than Jennings and Harris at this point then I don't even know how to respond to you. Braxton isn't experienced in our system but he knows how to read defenses he makes progressions and he's a damn good athlete. He doesn't struggle on his throws (before surgery). I think he's absolutely welcome here if he wants to come and I hope that helps Harris mature and learn something from a one time headman candidate.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:12 pm to LSU316
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I tend to believe that Harris was given every opportunity to succeed. At times listening to Miles during the offseason and pre-season (before SEC play) he was begging Harris to step up and take the job basically. The kid never did it......
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:13 pm to LSU316
quote:
Harris practiced every damn day the same as Jennings. However, for some reason the coaches decided to trot Jennings out there every week to hand off 30+ time and attempt 10-13 passes with a 50% completion percentage at best for around 60-75 yds. On his in-completions they sat and watched some of the most terrible passes I've ever seen. Yet still Harris couldn't get on the field.
So one thing you can do is blame this on the coaches. Which you did and which I think is very short sighted. I tend to believe that Harris was given every opportunity to succeed. At times listening to Miles during the offseason and pre-season (before SEC play) he was begging Harris to step up and take the job basically. The kid never did it......it may be a work ethic issue who knows, but I don't think you can blame the coaching staff for looking for a quick fix for next year (which is supposed to be our "year") given the evidence we have.
Uh oh. People aren't going to like you saying this, making sense. How dare you suggest it's BH's own fault that he's not starting?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:21 pm to Football_Freak
Golson may have turnovers but he threw 30 TD passes and a ton of yards. We don't have that here. We need offense and points.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:29 pm to KG5989
You really think people are going to read that shite? Lol
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:30 pm to TampaTiger22
shite I'd take either if we even are going to start Harris. If Harris gets hurt, we are back to Jennings or a true frosh.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:37 pm to TampaTiger22
golson would be perma-benched with his propensity for turnovers.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:45 pm to KG5989
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Is Braxton Miller even going to be able to play QB anymore? He originally hurt his throwing shoulder vs Clemson in the Orange Bowl at the end of the 2013 season, had surgery in February, and then re-injured it during preseason while attempting a short, simple pass. He was not hit. 2 major injuries to his throwing shoulder less than 10 months apart and the 2nd was a non contact injury on a short throw. So we have no idea if hes even capable of playing QB agan and if he is, what type of QB will he be now? Whats his arm like now? And considering he likes to run, he could easily get hurt again and be done.
This is everything. And, I agree that his shoulder status is totally ignored around here as to whether or not it makes sense for LSU to take him.
Having said that, if his should is healed, it's a no brainer.
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And I hope people do realize that Everett Golston was BENCHED because of his play... They went 1-6 their last 7 games with Golson as the starting QB. And he had 14 INTs, 8 lost fumbles (12 fumbles total) for a total of 22 turnovers... in 9 games this year. 9. And he also took 27 sacks this year. And like Miller, Golson #s are inflated and also had the benefit of playing in a Brian Kelly system and against weak defenses in a lot of his games.
it doesn't matter. He's a guy who legitimately can make plays downfield. That would immediately make him a better option than Jennings and set the bar for Harris to beat out.
If Harris can't beat out Golston, then he wasn't ready to start at QB either way.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:49 pm to ole man
I think 3,400 yrds passing gets us us a NC.
1,600 yrds get us 5 losses
1,600 yrds get us 5 losses
Posted on 1/6/15 at 5:28 pm to sunnydaze
I wouldn't mind having either one if for nothing else to elevate the competition at the QB position.
I like Harris but it really doesn't matter what any other coach says if CLM has Harris benched.
I like Harris but it really doesn't matter what any other coach says if CLM has Harris benched.
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