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Questions About Early Departures
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:14 pm
Considering how many underclassmen we lose every year, what's your opinion on what players owe to their universities i.e. should they stay and support the university that gave them an opportunity to showcase themselves, give them access to state-of-the-art facilities, vastly improves their physical aptitude, improves their skills, gives them access to a quality education etc.? I know the school makes tons of money and a lot of people would call that square so was just curious if people felt differently.
Also, what would you guys think if LSU implemented a degree program specifically tailored to athletes, and possibly more specifically to athletes who plan on leaving school early? It would include classes on financial management (accounting, some type of investment courses), pre-law (contracts for athletes), and business classes that possibly focus more on mentorship and basically giving these people the knowledge to make better decisions. Does it make too much sense, and therefore will never happen?
Also, what would you guys think if LSU implemented a degree program specifically tailored to athletes, and possibly more specifically to athletes who plan on leaving school early? It would include classes on financial management (accounting, some type of investment courses), pre-law (contracts for athletes), and business classes that possibly focus more on mentorship and basically giving these people the knowledge to make better decisions. Does it make too much sense, and therefore will never happen?
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:14 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
They have to do what think is best for them and their family
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:15 pm to tke857
quote:Risk/reward when you have elite athletes.
They have to do what think is best for them and their family
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:16 pm to tke857
They owe their university zero. However, some just come out too early and set themselves up for failure...
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:21 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
If Les weren't sucking the fun out of LSU football, more players would return.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:28 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
I'm assuming it's mostly up to the parents in this situation. Most of these kids are still living @ home.
if Les/LSU could do a better job recruiting i.e. working the parent end, they might stick it out longer.
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should they stay and support the university that gave them an opportunity to showcase themselves
if Les/LSU could do a better job recruiting i.e. working the parent end, they might stick it out longer.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:30 pm to arcalades
Let's put this way....
What if you were a college student and a Fortune 500 company came to you and said "leave college a year early and we'll hire you at $400,000.00 a year. You can finish college later." Would you go?
What if you were a college student and a Fortune 500 company came to you and said "leave college a year early and we'll hire you at $400,000.00 a year. You can finish college later." Would you go?
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:51 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
Scholarships are only guaranteed for 1 year so every year it's like you need to re-sign players...so they owe 0. Now if you guarantee the scholly is for 4 years...that would be different.
No way the NCAA would allow a pro athlete specific degree. It also would need to be accredited.
No way the NCAA would allow a pro athlete specific degree. It also would need to be accredited.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:58 pm to RichardT
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Let's put this way....
What if you were a college student and a Fortune 500 company came to you and said "leave college a year early and we'll hire you at $400,000.00 a year. You can finish college later." Would you go?
Let's put it this way...
The average career is business is much greater than the average NFL career so you're not really making a good comparison.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:01 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
We don't have a REC, making sure the Jr's are taken care of if they come back.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:03 pm to theenemy
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Scholarships are only guaranteed for 1 year so every year it's like you need to re-sign players...so they owe 0. Now if you guarantee the scholly is for 4 years...that would be different.
Interesting to see the percentage of scholarships that aren't renewed due to athletic performance. Guessing it is close to 0% so I don't know if you can make that argument. And I have had teammates get hurt and still retain their scholarships by becoming video techs and such.
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No way the NCAA would allow a pro athlete specific degree. It also would need to be accredited.
The NCAA has no control over what degree programs participate in, so as long as it is accredited, then then NCAA as no right to deny it. The university could offer it as a certificate program coupled with an accredited degree program such as business, and if you don't plan on graduating anyway, you could focus on the certificate program.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 4:20 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
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what players owe to their universities
Zero. If they are leaving early for the draft then they've made a ton of money for the university and/or its athletic department - while getting paid at most a scholarship in return.
It sucks when they go but the idea that someone who essentially works for free "owes" his boss anything is kinda ridiculous.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 4:24 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
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Let's put it this way...
The average career is business is much greater than the average NFL career so you're not really making a good comparison.
Average career in the NFL is 3.3 years. Median salary is 0.8 million.
Suppose you were offered 800,000 / year for three years to leave college one year early. Who the frick wouldn't? You can always go back for your last year. That's 2.4 million dollars. After taxes, 1.3 million or so. Take out 100 k /year to live on and you're left with $1,000,000. Shouldn't be to hard to finish up that last year of college with $1,000,000 in the bank.
Heck, if you've got the brains you could even transfer over from State University to Elite Private School and get your degree from there in the final year.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 4:45 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
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Questions About Early Departures
They are leaving early because the chance to win a National Championship at LSU has sailed. Why stay and risk injury. I see staying to try to win a championship as the only reason beside education, which you can always go back to school. Make an NFL team and find out now if your good enough. One more year at LSU won't make you better for the NFL. The NFL will make you better for the NFL. If you can;t make it after three in college, you won't make it after four years in college - sometimes five. You risk less money in your first contract, but if you love football, its not always about making the most money, but making money.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 7:33 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
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Interesting to see the percentage of scholarships that aren't renewed due to athletic performance. Guessing it is close to 0% so I don't know if you can make that argument. And I have had teammates get hurt and still retain their scholarships by becoming video techs and such.
Depends on the school---"processing" does happen at a lot of schools
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The NCAA has no control over what degree programs participate in, so as long as it is accredited, then then NCAA as no right to deny it
Wrong.....You cannot offer a degree program that is only available to athletes.
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