re: Men Ain't Boys -- Powerful new DVD coming out on black men & fatherhood

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you really believe this?

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So you don't agree?

So, not having the same opportunities probably contributes to that IQ discrepancy, you'd agree?

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There's not some magical gene that makes white people smarter than black people.

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Why is that such a far fetched concept? Are you familiar with the sickle cell gene?

Crowns disease

Tay Sachs

Its not a gene, its evolution and where the groups evolved. Each group became better at different things. Do some research on race and intelligence, if you don't want to search around there is a wikipedia article that has links to all of the studies at the bottom. Yes, wikipedia is not credible but the links go to studies that are.

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The fact remains that IQ is genetic though.

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That's not true scientifically. The behaviors associated with high IQ s are found to be genetic, and that study was conducted on twins, not random people in a designated "race". Even the scientist who conducted the study noted that the similarities found in twins was observed in non poor families.

but if what you believe helps you sleep better at night go for it.

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I am not sure what you are arguing

Surprised there have been no banhammers

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What legitimate scientists are studying this? I

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not to defend the "science", but it's not really a topic that they're allowed to study. scientists and academics have to be careful to not produce evidence related to controversial subjects. if you do, you risk being ostracized

this applies all over, from race-related issues to punishment. in undergrad behaviorism, we read about a study about punishment (as opposed to positive or negative reinforcement). the test involved mentally retarded subjects who were engaging in self-mutilation (banging their head). positive and negative reinforcement failed at correcting the behavior. punishment, on the other hand, even in a single instance, was extremely effective. they used a shock when the kid banged his or her head as the punishemt

this is a major discovery that could have been used to delve into all sorts of areas related to punishment and its efficiencies. it could have revolutionized how we analyze child-rearing and all all sorts of other societal structures. also, it could have completely change how we see the bad forms or irrational punishment that lead to things like learned helplessness that are terrible.

what did happen? the scientists were roundly criticized for their test subjects and lost their careers. because the community didn't want to accept that punishment was more efficient than reinforcement (because it was mean or some similar emotional reaction), the results were discarded and the scientists lost their careers. no further study was done in this area. society loses. all to make emotional people satisfied.

and regardless of the subject matter, that's just terrible. that kind of belief-behavior system destroys science

that's why i said earlier going down that road (during a discussion) is pointless. at best you're just going to incite a very emotional response, and at worst it's wrong and you're a huge racist. it's just not worth anything in terms of discussion

there are flawed studies out there. they're not worth using as evidence. we don't know what the reality is and we will probably never know. if we are ever allowed to engage in doing those studies, then we will either have aliens ruling us (and they study us) or we will have faced a return to a race-based governmental system. they will then have the same bias/flaws as the old studies.