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re: How do Fournette and Jeremy Hill compare?

Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:55 am to
Posted by UnAnon
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:55 am to
Hill beat up defenses then Ware Magee Hillard and Blue came in to help.

Behind Leonard we had Magee Hillard Williams.

Fournette was our feature back. He's way more physical than Hill was but doesn't have the balance and vision yet. Fournette got better each and every game and he's going to get 100 plus in the bowl.

Hill is one of the best LSU RBs ever.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 1:01 am to
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Hill beat up defenses then Ware Magee Hillard and Blue came in to help.

Behind Leonard we had Magee Hillard Williams.

Fournette was our feature back. He's way more physical than Hill was but doesn't have the balance and vision yet. Fournette got better each and every game and he's going to get 100 plus in the bowl.

Hill is one of the best LSU RBs ever.



Fournette also seems to get stronger and run better later into games better than any rb I can remember here.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 4:35 am to
Hill is the best open field running back I've seen since Adrian Peterson. He probably leads the NFL this season in td runs over forty yards. He just doesn't get caught.

I was watching that broncos game with a non lsu fan and as soon as hill got into the secondary I just said "he's gone." And the other kept saying, "no way, no chance, Denver's gonna get him here, etc." 9 seconds later he's in the end zone. He's done that so many times it's fricking uncanny
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 5:17 am to
Completely agree. Hill will be the best runner at the next level to have ever been a tiger. That being said, I really like to watch LF seem like hes running harder and stronger in the 4th quarter of games. That's demoralizing to a defense.
Posted by 337Tigah
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 7:11 am to
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I saw many runs this year where Fournette could've gained a huge one if he simply cut it in the opposite direction that he obviously didn't see.




I love when ppl post in hindsight lol. So critical of a very talented true freshman. The way some ppl (specifically you)talk you would swear your opinion was relevant. Tell me, how many yards did you run for in your college career?
Posted by brewhan davey
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:42 am to
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Strength - Even (ability to carry a pile or fight for extra yards)

Power - Fournette (he's ran over several people as a true freshman)

Hands - Fournette (this guy will be dangerous once they start really throwing to him)

Vision - Hill

Acceleration - Hill

Agility - Hill (I have seen Fournette cut like a scat back several times, but he doesn't look as nimble as Hill does)

Change of Direction - Hill

Top End Speed - Fournette

RB Moves - Fournette (F = spin, juke, stiff arm, truck stick. H = juke, stiff arm)

Break Tackle - Even

Durability - Even so far

Homerun Ability - Hill

Balance - Hill Fournette should dominate in the coming years like Hill did.


I agree with all of these, although I would give a slight nod to Hill in the "break tackle" category - as of this point in Fournette's career. I think Fournette showed tremendous improvement in his ability to break tackles..particularly later in the season..and I think once he starts to show a little more consistency in stepping out of those low body tackles, he will be unstoppable.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:45 am to
Yeah, comparing Fournette's first year as a true freshman to Jeremy Hill's 3rd year in college is pretty ridiculous.
Posted by mattytiger123
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2014
3021 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 10:43 am to
Fournette is no Chubb #fightmeandbiteme

On a serious note, Jeremy Hill is much better and if you watch their tape its not close. All I saw from fournette was running through holes and occasionally making a nice move or running over people. Jeremy hill was better at breaking tackles, busting long runs, and he is more elusive. Hopefully Fournette will go to yoga class to improve his stiff hips

ETA- Hill had much better vision which allowed him to be so much better
This post was edited on 12/25/14 at 10:45 am
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 11:45 am to
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Im just talking God given talent. Its rare as hell to see a 225lb guy run a 10.6 100 meter.


Marcus Dupree ran a 100 yard dash in 9.5 seconds at 230 pounds.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 12:22 pm to
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Hill had a passing attack


A HUGE advantage for hill.
Posted by Surv1vor1st
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 2:00 pm to
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Marcus Dupree ran a 100 yard dash in 9.5 seconds at 230 pounds.


That is about the same time if you equate it to meters.
Posted by 901Tiger
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 3:39 pm to
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Yeah, comparing Fournette's first year as a true freshman to Jeremy Hill's 3rd year in college is pretty ridiculous


Very important point! We're comparing an 18 year old true freshman to a 20/21 year old's 3rd year out of high school. Big developmental difference there.
This post was edited on 12/25/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 4:55 pm to
If im not mistaken, Hill could technically play as a freshman. He had to wait a year right?
Posted by LUS Tiger in FL
TrampaBay
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 5:24 pm to
LF is talented..

But would Hill did in the bowl game against Iowa with Jennings at QB was amazing.. Plus in the NFL...He just has IT
Posted by tgerb8
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 8:49 pm to
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How do Fournette and Jeremy Hill compare?


2013 Hill > 2014 Fournette
2015 Fournette > 2013 Hill
2016 Fournette > anyone
Posted by Meldedee
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
3318 posts
Posted on 12/25/14 at 9:29 pm to
Hill USED to play for LSU. Fournette STILL does.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/25/14 at 10:05 pm to
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I love when ppl post in hindsight lol. So critical of a very talented true freshman. The way some ppl (specifically you)talk you would swear your opinion was relevant. Tell me, how many yards did you run for in your college career?


Are you his family? Why you getting so mad? I wasn't being critical...I was simply stating a fact. He doesn't have the vision Hill has it's that simple. Hill came in and the first time he touched the ball he showed amazing vision. You either have it or you don't. Fournette needs to add strength in his lower body. He doesn't have the balance or vision Hill had. He can improve his lower body strength but he's not going to improve his vision that much. What you see is what you get there. It's not bad but it's not close to Hill's level who just had amazing field awareness that quickly translated into the NFL.

Despite what stats might say, I still think Hill was the better back his freshman season. I would like to see how many carries Fournette got compared to Hill. I'll bet Hill had significantly less because he had a better supporting backfield that season. Mettenberger couldn't throw the ball Hill's first year either yet he still racked yards up like Fournette does in this offense. Hill is the best RB I've seen at LSU in my lifetime.

Fournette is a great player but I'm not sure we'll ever look back and say he's better than Hill.
This post was edited on 12/25/14 at 10:10 pm
Posted by mattytiger123
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2014
3021 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 9:25 am to
I wouldn't really say your vision can't improve. Charles Scott made a huge jump from 2007 to 2008 and became one of the better LSU running backs in the past 15 years
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 12/26/14 at 9:30 am to
Give LF time. He will greatly improve as he has one season under his belt. Oh & u have to have a QB to pass.
This post was edited on 12/26/14 at 9:37 am
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 12/26/14 at 10:29 am to
Hill was better
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