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re: How do Fournette and Jeremy Hill compare?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:33 pm to tigertracts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:33 pm to tigertracts
Hill was superior as a freshman...and you know what? It's OK! That's a testament to Hill, not a knock on Fournette.
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:34 pm to SabiDojo
True, even in Hill's freshman year there was at least the threat of a pass. Fournette's freshman year allowed defenses to completely ignore the passing game.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:34 pm to John McClane
Trudat, bruh.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:41 pm to Choupique19
Fournette is the most special running back talent we have ever had at LSU. He will be the go to guy next year. He will hit 1,800 yards minimum.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:47 pm to tigertracts
Hill has crazy vision and unreal balance. I'm always amazed how he stays on his feet.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:48 pm to tigertracts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:53 pm to tigertracts
Hill is one of the best backs we've had at LSU. The people saying he was better than Hilliard were rt. I wasn't so sure because he was running behind a monstrous line at redemptorist.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:58 pm to ElJefe686
quote:I think LF is very good.
develops some vision
That said, I have literally never in my life seen a running back "develop" good runner's vision. That seems to be something you either have or don't.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:06 pm to tigertracts
Hill just had the 2nd best season , ever, as a lsu rb and set the sec single season ypc record.
With that said, LF is above JHill in raw talent.
With that said, LF is above JHill in raw talent.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:09 pm to ShortyRob
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That said, I have literally never in my life seen a running back "develop" good runner's vision. That seems to be something you either have or don't.
Sometimes a lack of vision is from a rb getting to the line of scrimmage too fast. Coaches teach rbs to be," slow to( the line), fast through( hole)". Perfect example of this is Le'Veon Bell.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:10 pm to tigertracts
I think Hill was the better back at this point. He had better vision, more moves and definitely better acceleration. Once Hill got to the second level he was gone.
I agree on lack of vision too as said above. That's something you either have or don't. Fournette doesn't have the vision Hill had while he was here. That's partly why he broke so many big runs. He would punish an undisciplined defense. I saw many runs this year where Fournette could've gained a huge one if he simply cut it in the opposite direction that he obviously didn't see.
I agree on lack of vision too as said above. That's something you either have or don't. Fournette doesn't have the vision Hill had while he was here. That's partly why he broke so many big runs. He would punish an undisciplined defense. I saw many runs this year where Fournette could've gained a huge one if he simply cut it in the opposite direction that he obviously didn't see.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:12 pm to Malaysian Tiger
Both had great freshman years. Like already stated LF looks for contact more while as JH seemed to skirt around it. I will say this though, LF did more than JH did in their first seasons. JH had the benefit of a more balanced offense that wasn't plagued with 9-10 guys in the box where as LF never had any support from a passing game. They knew LF was getting the ball and that was the end of the story.
JH had legal trouble. LF does not. LF benefits from not spending anytime away from schools and can completely focus on football. Not taking anything away from JH, but LF just loves LSU inside and out.
Both are/were phenomenal Tigers. I believe in the long run LF will have the more prosperous career, both statistically and through the eyeball test.
P.S. What if JH stayed for his senior year. JH/LF at running back?
JH had legal trouble. LF does not. LF benefits from not spending anytime away from schools and can completely focus on football. Not taking anything away from JH, but LF just loves LSU inside and out.
Both are/were phenomenal Tigers. I believe in the long run LF will have the more prosperous career, both statistically and through the eyeball test.
P.S. What if JH stayed for his senior year. JH/LF at running back?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:12 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
Hill was superior as a freshman...and you know what
Na. LF has more yards and just a slightly lower ypc in an offense that is a zero threat for passing
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:19 pm to JaxTiger10
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Na. LF has more yards and just a slightly lower ypc in an offense that is a zero threat for passing
Which is without question the absolute most important piece of the equation. It doesn't matter how fast or how much wiggle you have, if you are going against 8 in the box every play and there is no threat of a passing game the expectation of a running back to show great vision, breakaway speed, etc. in this league(SEC) is pretty unrealistic
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:41 pm to tigertracts
Strength - Even (ability to carry a pile or fight for extra yards)
Power - Fournette (he's ran over several people as a true freshman)
Hands - Fournette (this guy will be dangerous once they start really throwing to him)
Vision - Hill
Acceleration - Hill
Agility - Hill (I have seen Fournette cut like a scat back several times, but he doesn't look as nimble as Hill does)
Change of Direction - Hill
Top End Speed - Fournette
RB Moves - Fournette (F = spin, juke, stiff arm, truck stick. H = juke, stiff arm)
Break Tackle - Even
Durability - Even so far
Homerun Ability - Hill
Balance - Hill
Fournette should dominate in the coming years like Hill did.
Power - Fournette (he's ran over several people as a true freshman)
Hands - Fournette (this guy will be dangerous once they start really throwing to him)
Vision - Hill
Acceleration - Hill
Agility - Hill (I have seen Fournette cut like a scat back several times, but he doesn't look as nimble as Hill does)
Change of Direction - Hill
Top End Speed - Fournette
RB Moves - Fournette (F = spin, juke, stiff arm, truck stick. H = juke, stiff arm)
Break Tackle - Even
Durability - Even so far
Homerun Ability - Hill
Balance - Hill
Fournette should dominate in the coming years like Hill did.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:48 pm to genuineLSUtiger
quote:
Fournette is the most special running back talent we have ever had at LSU.
Really?
Cannon, Alexander, Dalton Hilliard, Faulk, Hill, all say hi.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:48 pm to Choupique19
quote:
Hill broke many 40+ yard td runs in two years as a Tiger.
Yep. 3 40+ yard runs as a RS freshman, and an impressive 7 as a RS sophomore.
quote:
Fournette doesn't have a run longer than 30 yards I don't believe.
Hella wrong. He has two runs over 40 yards and a reception over 40 yards. So they are pretty much even in long plays from scrimmage for their first years. Wait til Fournette can learn over the offseason and we find some kind of passing attack. He just might match Hill as a 2nd year player as well.
So far, he has 3 receptions over 30 yards and 2 runs over 40 yards.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:00 pm to Datbayoubengal
He has two runs over 40 yards, but couldn't score on either. The receptions don't factor in here. He didn't score on those either. Hill didn't get caught in the open field.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:10 pm to Choupique19
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He has two runs over 40 yards, but couldn't score on either. The receptions don't factor in here. He didn't score on those either. Hill didn't get caught in the open field.
Hill was caught plenty in the open field, but not as nearly as much as Fournette, because Fournette has rarely been in the open field. Also, receptions do factor in because those are big plays.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:15 pm to atltiger6487
quote:physically LF is superior to all of those. Im just talking God given talent. Its rare as hell to see a 225lb guy run a 10.6 100 meter.
Cannon, Alexander, Dalton Hilliard, Faulk, Hill, all say hi.
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