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Do republicans have egg on their faces right now in regards to taxation?

Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:42 pm
The taxation increases in 2013 have not crashed the economy.....

In fact, the economy has sped up.

Not saying taxation helps an economy, but it sure hasn't hurt it the past year.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 3:53 pm
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:44 pm to
I think it's always good to get detailed economic analysis from Poli board.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:44 pm to
It proves your thesis.
The more taxation, the more AWESOME.
Taxing ourselves into Prosperity works every time.
Who can even argue.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

2013 have not crashed the economy


Doesn't something have to be in movement to crash?
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:53 pm to
And... we move into that most horrible of places.. the tax rate.

Too little taxes and you can't meet the obligations that we all want met.

Too much and you choke the life out of industry and start losing income.

If we did not not have ACA to deal with I'd say bump taxes up just a little bit to make the deficit grow smaller, combined with some cuts of course.

The problem is that once the ACA bill comes due all of our gains will washed away.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:55 pm to
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combined with some cuts of course.

And this thread just entered fantasy land.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:58 pm to
Sadly you are correct.
Baseline budgeting Baby.
My least-favorite alliteration.
Posted by dantes69
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:59 pm to
No Country in the history of the world has ever taxed it's citizens into prosperity, many examples of the other way.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
78299 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:00 pm to
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The problem is that once the ACA bill comes due all of our gains will washed away.


This will go unmentioned. But the gas price "pay raise" will get round the clock attention.
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:07 pm to
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Too little taxes and you can't meet the obligations that we all want met.


Our obligations are way too high. Medicare, medicaid, and welfare needs to end asap. Any federal dollars used for local projects need to end asap. Salaries and budgets for public officials needs to be drastically reduced. The department of education needs to be abolished. And many federal employees need to be laid off with the benefits for the remainder reduced.

We could have much lower taxes and a far more industrious economy if we did these things. Unfortunately, we will not.

But I bristle whenever someone suggests we want these obligations. They were given by politicians to buy votes, nothing more.
Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
7905 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:20 pm to
High taxes have given us 8 years of a shyt economy.


Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:25 pm to
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Medicare, medicaid, and welfare needs to end asap.


Oh STFU. Never going to happen.

quote:

Salaries and budgets for public officials needs to be drastically reduced.


I'm sure the new applicant pool for those jobs will be outstanding.

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We could have much lower taxes and a far more industrious economy if we did these things. Unfortunately, we will not.


Can I assume, then, that you're all for a drastically reduced military budget? Or do we need to spend 20X's as much as the rest of the world?

All about small gubment. Oh wait, what? Cut back military? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The TERRORISTS. We're all big pussies.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:28 pm to
No. Just no.

Taxation is only one part of the formula.

And just because the stock market is good, doesn't mean your average Joe is.

Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69227 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:29 pm to
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And just because the stock market is good, doesn't mean your average Joe is.
5% GDP growth is not good for your average jeaux?
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26611 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:30 pm to
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Can I assume, then, that you're all for a drastically reduced military budget? Or do we need to spend 20X's as much as the rest of the world?


Count me in. I'm all for cutting the military and forcing the rest of the world to pull its share of the load. The problem is, the U. S. is the big boy on the block. Every problem in the world lands at our feet.

Still, I'd like to see us reduce our responsibilities globablly, if it means paying down our debt - not just paying interest - paying it down.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:34 pm to
Not when he has to take his gain and buy an overpriced health insurance plan with it.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62362 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:29 pm to
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And just because the stock market is good, doesn't mean your average Joe is.


Yeah, take the Fed out of the equation the last 6 years, and a flat rate, and even it wouldn't look so good, but they have manipulated it well, but that doesn't affect the middle class or lower much. People are hurting, and most won't even know we had any growth, at all..
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:33 pm to
Republicans have been so piss poor regarding taxes and economics the past several years it is dumbfounding. 95% of the reason I have turned from them.

Romney's economic plan with massive tax cuts was so frickingstupid and pie in the sky fantasy I figured it was a hoax until I realized he was serious.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126918 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:41 pm to
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Not saying taxation helps an economy, but it sure hasn't hurt it the past year.



How do you know the economy would not have grown even more without the tax increases?

The 5% GDP figure was an annualized number based on one quarter. And that quarter had numerous "adjustments" which other quarters don't usually have.

The first nine months of 2014 has had a growth in GDP of 2.5% on an annualized basis. That's a pretty pitiful growth rate coming out of a deep recession. Don't drink the Kool-Aid.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90460 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:56 pm to
Taxation has no effect on GDP.

GDP = C+I+G+(Ex-Im)

That's consumer spending + Business investment + Government spending+ (exports - imports).

If you tax more, the government spends more on goods and services. If you tax less, the consumer spends more on goods and services. Both are calculated into GDP so it's a wash. Government spending on entitlements is not counted in GDP, but the recipients of the entitlements will spend that money and it goes into Consumer Spending. Taxing for entitlements is simply wealth redistribution but has no effect on GDP.

GDP is driven by consumer confidence. A financial recession due to wavering markets causes less confidence, therefore people spend less money. This has a domino effect on the economy, causing a slow down in the liquidity of money, a reduction in business investment to cut costs, and lower availability of loans.
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