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re: For the Last Time - OUR OFFENSE WAS HISTORIC LAST YEAR.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:51 am to TigerFan244
Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:51 am to TigerFan244
Our offense was just middle if the road in the SEC. It was a fluke, productivity created by four rare talents running a shite scheme.
Prepare for this years production next year.
Prepare for this years production next year.
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:29 am to Tigerbait357
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OUR OFFENSE WAS HISTORIC LAST YEAR.
After reading the posts, it's not hard to see why we have QB's that have jr high knowledge. Who would want to hand off 90% of the time, when they can go to schools even like Marshall, and throw the ball all over the field. Think that might help them get recognized by a few NFL scouts ? All these kids see the games on tv, and that leads to JJMILES and AJ prototype QB's . Just what GOL wants, obviously.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:30 am to TigerFan244
it was "historic" based only on LSU history.
But compared to the rest of the SEC and the country, our offense wasn't historic at all.
But compared to the rest of the SEC and the country, our offense wasn't historic at all.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:12 am to TigerFan244
Offense was historic
Defense sucked
Offense = 24th Nationally PPG, 6th SEC
36th Nationally YPG, 7th SEC
Defense = 21st Nationally PPG, 4th SEC
15th Nationally YPG, 4th SEC
I'm not posting this to disagree that our offense was very good to great last year. Anyone saying otherwise is not being honest. However, to call the offense HISTORIC and say the defense was our problem is also not being very honest. And I sincerely hope Jax comes in and tries to convince people PPG doesn't matter like he does YPG.
Defense sucked
Offense = 24th Nationally PPG, 6th SEC
36th Nationally YPG, 7th SEC
Defense = 21st Nationally PPG, 4th SEC
15th Nationally YPG, 4th SEC
I'm not posting this to disagree that our offense was very good to great last year. Anyone saying otherwise is not being honest. However, to call the offense HISTORIC and say the defense was our problem is also not being very honest. And I sincerely hope Jax comes in and tries to convince people PPG doesn't matter like he does YPG.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:14 am to cheeser
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and that leads to JJMILES and AJ prototype QB's
Both of these qbs were 4 star qbs.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:19 am to tigerfoot
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It was a fluke, productivity created by four rare talents running a shite scheme
You have no clue what the frick youre talking about . Our scheme is fine when we have a qb to execute.cfb is about executing. No cfb program runs a complex and innovative offense. The coaches just dont have enough time ( 20 practice hr) to implement some great scheme.Hell Auburn runs the same play 75% of the game. They just have a qb well suited for their offense
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:20 am to tigerfoot
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Our offense was just middle if the road in the SEC
while I agree, that part could be debatable
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was a fluke, productivity created by four rare talents running a shite scheme.
I don't think even Jaxtiger10 would find that debatable.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:26 am to boxcar willie
Our scheme is fine.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:57 am to cdkline06
quote:
Offense was historic
Defense sucked
Offense = 24th Nationally PPG, 6th SEC
36th Nationally YPG, 7th SEC
Defense = 21st Nationally PPG, 4th SEC
15th Nationally YPG, 4th SEC
I'm not posting this to disagree that our offense was very good to great last year. Anyone saying otherwise is not being honest. However, to call the offense HISTORIC and say the defense was our problem is also not being very honest
EXACTLY
Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:52 pm to ShortyRob
IMO the 2013 LSU offense was EFFICIENT. LSU doesn't need an offense to be Historic, or set records for this or that. Now with that being said, with all these HUNH offenses these days, in the SEC NONE EVER accomplished what the 2013 LSU offense did and that was a 3000 yd passer, 2-1000 yd receivers and a 1000 yd runner.
Even in the Georgia game the LSU offense PUT the team in a position to win the game, the DEFENSE failed miserably. In the Ole Miss game, LSU was in position to win the game, again the DEFENSE couldnt get a STOP in the final minutes.
Against Bama, it was a competitive game until the fake punt by Bama that turned the TIDE as they say.
So again, the LSU offense in 2013 was EFFICIENT and thats all you can ask out of an offense. HUNH be damned.
Even in the Georgia game the LSU offense PUT the team in a position to win the game, the DEFENSE failed miserably. In the Ole Miss game, LSU was in position to win the game, again the DEFENSE couldnt get a STOP in the final minutes.
Against Bama, it was a competitive game until the fake punt by Bama that turned the TIDE as they say.
So again, the LSU offense in 2013 was EFFICIENT and thats all you can ask out of an offense. HUNH be damned.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:34 pm to TeamLSU
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EVER accomplished what the 2013 LSU offense did and that was a 3000 yd passer, 2-1000 yd receivers and a 1000 yd runner.
Great. But, there's a reason that announcers make a bid deal out of when a QB lights up a defense and "completes passes to 6 different targets". Frankly, our offense would've been a LOT better last year if Mett threw for the exact same numbers but the WR yardage was spread over more evenly and across 4 WRs, a TE and 2 RBs or some variation thereof.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:44 pm to ShortyRob
Shorty-I still wouldn't trade last years offense with ANY offense in college football. Hell last year even in 3rd and 15 or more you had a sense that LSU was going to make that first down and for the most part they did.
And I would rather have an offense that you have to be aware of TWO receivers than just ONE. And those offenses with 6 different targets you mentioned most probably had a woeful running game.
And I would rather have an offense that you have to be aware of TWO receivers than just ONE. And those offenses with 6 different targets you mentioned most probably had a woeful running game.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:53 pm to TeamLSU
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Shorty-I still wouldn't trade last years offense with ANY offense in college football.
Odd. You wouldn't have wanted to be one of the 23 schools to score more PPG than us or one of the 4 SEC schools to do it? I mean, we do play offense in order to score, correct?
You wouldn't have traded it for one of the 32 teams to gain more yards than LSU to include 5 SEC teams?
I mean, hey, our offense last year was pretty good, but let's be rational here.
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And I would rather have an offense that you have to be aware of TWO receivers than just ONE. And those offenses with 6 different targets you mentioned most probably had a woeful running game.
Interesting. LSU finished 42nd in passing yards and 30th in rushing yards. Do you really want me to list all the schools, to include SEC schools, that finished ahead of us in BOTH categories or damned close in one while ahead in the other? I mean, ya know, since you are asserting they'd have been "woeful" at running.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:06 pm to ShortyRob
Well the offense last year scored enough points to beat anyone besides BAMA. Sometimes your DEFENSE has to show up. And this year was the complete opposite, DEFENSE was outstanding save for 2 games, Auburn and Miss. St.
Those 32 teams that GAINED more yards than LSU, where did they end of ranked last year???
Again the 42 teams that finished AHEAD of LSU in passing yards where did they finsh at the end of the year???
And while you at it, name all those schools that played a competitive schedule as LSU also. So again you can keep your yardage national champions, give me and EFFICIENT OFFENSE and DEFENSE and I will take that anytime. I guarantee one thing, if Georgia had LSU DEFENSE this year they are in the SEC Championship game. There offense was EFFICIENT enough to win that division, there DEFENSE wasn't.
Those 32 teams that GAINED more yards than LSU, where did they end of ranked last year???
Again the 42 teams that finished AHEAD of LSU in passing yards where did they finsh at the end of the year???
And while you at it, name all those schools that played a competitive schedule as LSU also. So again you can keep your yardage national champions, give me and EFFICIENT OFFENSE and DEFENSE and I will take that anytime. I guarantee one thing, if Georgia had LSU DEFENSE this year they are in the SEC Championship game. There offense was EFFICIENT enough to win that division, there DEFENSE wasn't.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:17 pm to TeamLSU
quote:Awesome and irrelevant to the point that you asserted there was no offense you'd have preferred which is silly. Of course ANYONE would prefer a more productive offense than the one they had.
Well the offense last year scored enough points to beat anyone besides BAMA. Sometimes your DEFENSE has to show up. And this year was the complete opposite, DEFENSE was outstanding save for 2 games, Auburn and Miss. St.
quote:We finished 16th in BCS standing. 9 of the teams ahead of us also had greater offensive output. That's using yards per game but, I suspect you'll find similar results on the other possible measures.
Those 32 teams that GAINED more yards than LSU, where did they end of ranked last year???
Hence, bottom line, yes, our offense was pretty good but, even in the SEC, it wasn't the cream of the crop.
quote:You said you wouldn't trade our OFFENSE for any other. Well, guess what, apparently, 9 teams managed to still play enough defense and out produce us offensively and end up ranked ahead of us.
give me and EFFICIENT OFFENSE and DEFENSE and I will take that anytime.
Oh, you do realize that some of those teams are from the SEC and played SEC schedules, right?
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:26 pm to ShortyRob
No doubt the offense last year was good. I agree. The defense was down. I agree. The four guys producing in the NFL on offense support this. Last year the offenses across CFB were very good. This is why I like Cam. How many catches and yards did the 3rd, 4th, and 5th receiver have last year for LSU? Dural had 7 catches. Look it up. Now look up the other RBs vs Hill. Magee had an average of 7.3 YPC last year. This year not so much. LSU's offense last year was based primarily on four players. Throw TM in their for five if you like and clearly a solid OL.
This year the OL was learning a new scheme. The RBs were not as good in part because of this and the QBs were not in Metts league. Plain and simple.
This year the OL was learning a new scheme. The RBs were not as good in part because of this and the QBs were not in Metts league. Plain and simple.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:33 pm to TigerFan244
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:46 pm to ShortyRob
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Odd. You wouldn't have wanted to be one of the 23 schools to score more PPG than us or one of the 4 SEC schools to do it? I mean, we do play offense in order to score, correct?
Only 8 teams in cfb scored more points per play.
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You wouldn't have traded it for one of the 32 teams to gain more yards than LSU to include 5 SEC teams?
Only 11 teams in all of cfb had a better yards per play ranking.
Total yards and point pee game are skewed by the number of plays ran.for example, lsu was 12th in all of cfb in yards per play, but we were 105th in plays ran which skewed our totals. If lsu had ran a hurry up no huddle offense our total offenseove yardage wouldve been better than 33rd and our scoring wouldve been better than 23rd.
I put it like this. When the ball was snapped, only 11 teams in all of cfb had more success at gaining yardage.
Yards per play and points per play arent skewed by anything, while total offense and ppg are skewed by the total number of plays ran.
2013 lsu offense
12th in the entire ncaa in yards per play
9th in the entire ncaa in points per play
1st in the entire ncaa in 3rd down conversion
6th in the entire ncaa in passing Efficiency.
Thats elite offense.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:06 pm to JaxTiger10
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Only 8 teams in cfb scored more points per play.
quote:Sadly, no one was ever awarded a victory for having the superior yards per play.
Only 11 teams in all of cfb had a better yards per play ranking.
You play the game to score points.
If the other team ran more plays and therefore had fewer yards per play but outscored you, they win.
Maybe you should start a new sport where they give point credit at the end of the game for yards per play.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:13 pm to easy money
Miles needs to get the offense in order. It will not win in the SEC.
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