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re: Is de Blasio really this clueless??
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:20 am to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:20 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
You can't possibly be suggesting that he should have tried to please everyone during a political campaign. Good grief that's ridiculous.
No, but I did live there during the election. His entire campaign was based on class warfare and race baiting. I am suggesting that he used the very same tactics he is accusing the media of.
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:23 am to ironsides
quote:I live here too and I disagree.
No, but I did live there during the election. His entire campaign was based on class warfare and race baiting. I am suggesting that he used the very same tactics he is accusing the media of.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:29 am to ironsides
quote:He's accusing the media of focusing on the most militant and portraying them as being the majority. Is that how he campaigned? Just how did he do that?
I am suggesting that he used the very same tactics he is accusing the media of.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:45 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
quote:
Just asking. Any of you actually been here?
To NYC? Yeah, I have been a few times.
My first impression which was, "nice to visit but I wouldn't want to live there unless I was wealthy".
Now? "I wouldn't live there even if I was paid to." Not even in the upper east side or the lower west side not with de Blasio's class warfare going on. And Al's constant race baiting, no.
I think my first trip was in the early eighties was on business of a sort, had a concert at Carnegie with a symphonic group. They had a garbage strike going on at the time which didn't create a pleasant first impression. I remember being shocked at how expensive ordinary food was.
On my trips I always stayed in a hotel in mid-town, and then ventured out from there.
Had a big impression moment in, I think it was early nineties, en-route back to my hotel in midtown after going to Flushing Meadow in Queens, decided to take a little tour because while I had been in Manhattan and a part of Queens, and of course the obligatory Staten Island trip, I had never been to the other burroughs, it was a lot different passing through neighborhood after neighborhood that looked like something out of a war zone. I couldn't tell you now if it was the Bronx or Brooklyn, but I remember thinking how do people live in some of these areas.
I also have felt a heckuva lot safer on the Underground going into London, or the Metro in Paris than on the Subway.
It's been over fifteen years since my last trip, but I'm sure cost of living there which was high then is higher still, especially with tax hikes making it even harder to afford for example decent housing for people living there with middle class salaries not to mention working class salaries.
By the way I hear a lot of complaints about property taxes in New Jersey going up since Christie took office. I know my brother's property tax has basically doubled.
What's up with that.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:54 am to tigress4life
quote:It's not really like that anymore. I live in Queens and have traveled through all the boroughs. There are still a few dangerous neighborhoods, but NYC is now one of the safest major cities in the US.
On my trips I always stayed in a hotel in mid-town, and then ventured out from there.
Had a big impression moment in, I think it was early nineties, en-route back to my hotel in midtown after going to Flushing Meadow in Queens, decided to take a little tour because while I had been in Manhattan and a part of Queens, and of course the obligatory Staten Island trip, I had never been to the other burroughs, it was a lot different passing through neighborhood after neighborhood that looked like something out of a war zone. I couldn't tell you now if it was the Bronx or Brooklyn, but I remember thinking how do people live in some of these areas.
While it's expensive to live here, I can afford to support myself and my wife, who's a full-time, non-working student. I make good money but it's definitely considered middle class, at least for NYC.
As for the "class warfare" and "race-baiting" thing--I think that gets blown way out of proportion for the sake of Fox News and conservative radio programs. These things never come up in normal conversation in the city, at least not among my coworkers and friends.
25,000 people might show up for a protest, but this is a metro area with 20 million people. In the grand scheme, it's not a major part of living here.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:03 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
As for the "class warfare" and "race-baiting" thing--
Dude, his entire campaign was based on phrases like "tale of two cities" and "opportunity isn't just for the wealthy".
Now, that being said - if your friends are like my friends (I'm the only conservative) - the conversations probably went something like this, if you talked politics at all (my experience in NYC is that people DGAF about politics):
"hey not sure who to vote for: the corrupt one that has a bunch of shady real estate dealings, the guy that texts pics of his johnson, or the other democrat that is going to raise our taxes"
"is a republican even running?"
"don't care, won't ever vote for a republican"
I guess what I meant to say was that DeBlasio used the media's propensity to focus on the sensational aspects of the news. Of course they will focus on the voilent aspects, the peaceful ones are boring and don't get ratings.
Just like during the campaign he used class warfare and they ate it up.
Now to the other poster - NYC is awesome. The entire island of manhattan is pretty much safe; especially if you stick to well lit, populated areas. The majority of Brooklyn is real safe, as is the majority of queens. Some sketchy neighborhoods here and there but for the most part you're safer in NYC than you are in the majority of US cities. I lived there for 14 years and it continued to change for the better....
ETA: also on the 25k that might show up for a protest.....that's nothing. you might get like 200k that show up for a halloween parade. Think about this statistic for a minute:
The US Census population for Manhattan is something like 1.7M inhabitants. During the day it swells to something like 8-9M.....
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:05 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
He's saying that the media is dividing the sides by focusing too much on the minority of people who are using extreme rhetoric
Yah he is blaming them for doing the exact same thing he did in reference to the behavior of some of the police. You reap what you sow.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:09 am to UncleFestersLegs
Three years ago my wife spent a week in NYC for a medical convention. She said the nicest people she encountered were the cops.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:13 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:
Now, de Blasio has antagonized the police on several fronts. His comments about his son
Comments that were completely fair and cognizant of reality.
While I don't disagree with that, de Blasio's timing was red meat to his base and he had to know it would piss off the NYPD.
quote:
meeting with protestors,
What is wrong with meeting with protesters?
Same with the above, red meat to media and his base and crappy timing.
quote:
and the son of an aide referring to police as pigs.
That's somehow De Blasio's fault?
Do you have any control over what your coworkers' children say?
If one employee's kid is bashing other employees in a public forum, yes I'd ask the person to have their kid shut his mouth.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:43 am to Vegas Bengal
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Vegas Bengal So you are following Saul Alynski's rule number five from the Lib bible Rules for radicals.
Did B.O. say there are no absolutes? No actual right and wrong.
Yes, he did.
Is this Liberal thinking?
Yes, it is.
Was Barack Hussein named for two muslim prophets?
Yes.
Is naming a son or daughter after muslim prophets a demonstration of muslim faith in a muslim household?
Yes.
Is the pope is the leader of the Catholic Church, not the entirety of Christianity.
Yes.
In Christianity, is absolute Good represented by God and Jesus?
Yes.
Is absolute Evil represented by Satan, the devil?
Yes.
Do Liberals always bend over backward supporting Muslims, always differentiating fanatics as aberrations and even to the point of blaming the U.S. for muslim attacks?
Yes.
Do Liberals constantly attack every symbol of Christianity, and ridicule Christians for their faith.
Yes.
Do Liberals differentiate from blaming all Christians for fanatic and non violent acts from the majority of Christians?
No.
Do Liberals constantly ridicule Muslims for their faith?
No.
Does Islam have different appropriate behaviour standards toward fellow muslims and non-muslims?
Yes.
Do Christians have different appropriate behaviour standards toward fellow christians and non christians?
No.
Is relativism and weighted belief systems part of Liberal dogma?
Yes.
Does relativism mean that truth is relative to what one believes it to be, or what one can be convinced of and not by any objective standard?
Yes.
Is any behaviour which is acceptable under Lib relativism though heinous or abominable under objective standards, not only possible but probable?
Yes.
By the way Vegas Bengal, you violated your bible's Rule #2, since you forgot, "Avoid issues you have no knowledge of"
quote:
This is why you're an idiot.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:44 am to tigress4life
quote:Long rant by woman. Didn't read.
tigress4life
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:50 am to FT
quote:
Long rant by woman. Didn't read.
Rant directed to VegasBengal, the dumbass who called me an idiot.Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:58 am to Hog on the Hill
Hog, you probably voted for the guy
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:02 am to Jim Ignatowski
quote:
de Blasio blaming the media coverage
well as long as he doesn't blame them directly and name names,,
this has always worked, it's when you go off script and drum up imaginary things like a "vast right wing conspiracy" that the average idiot might get confused over what you're saying.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:23 am to Jim Ignatowski
quote:This is a lie. frick Blazzy, but no need to lie about him or anyone.
Just saw the video of de Blasio blaming the media coverage for the shooting of the NYPD Officers.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:25 am to jr33
quote:Wrong!
Hog, you probably voted for the guy
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:25 am to ironsides
quote:The real reason de Blasio is failing here is because he literally doesn't know how to be an effective politician without race baiting. His only trick is not exactly welcome right now, and he's confused.
His entire campaign was based on class warfare and race baiting.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:28 am to Hog on the Hill
quote:You're wrong.
I live here too and I disagree.
This ad is disgusting. Pure race baiting and class warfare. frick this guy.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:30 am to tigress4life
quote:No city in the history of the world has had a population of over 500,000 while having a lower crime rate than NYC in the past 10 or so years.
It's been over fifteen years since my last trip
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:33 am to tigress4life
quote:Actually, your attacks on the president and me are in line with Alinsky's Rules.
Vegas Bengal So you are following Saul Alynski's rule number five from the Lib bible Rules for radicals.
quote:Link?
Did B.O. say there are no absolutes? No actual right and wrong.
Yes, he did.
quote:If you mean liberals don't have your closed mind, then I would agree with you.
Is this Liberal thinking?
Yes, it is.
quote:See now you're lying. You said Obama chose those two names. And I have no idea if there was a prophet named Barak or a prophet named Hussein.
Was Barack Hussein named for two muslim prophets?
Yes.
quote:
Is naming a son or daughter after muslim prophets a demonstration of muslim faith in a muslim household?
Yes.
He was named after his father. And again, you said he chose the name. You're an idiot.
quote:Never said he wasn't. You're arguing with yourself here.
Is the pope is the leader of the Catholic Church, not the entirety of Christianity.
Yes.
quote:I think the Holy Spirit would have something to say about this. But what's your point?
In Christianity, is absolute Good represented by God and Jesus?
Yes.
quote:You're arguing things that were not at issue.
Is absolute Evil represented by Satan, the devil?
Yes.
If Christianity is based on absolutes and if you don't follow the absolutes, you're not a Christian, then half of Americans who call themselves Christian are not Christian because half are divorced and divorce is adultery. Absolute.
quote:No
Do Liberals always bend over backward supporting Muslims, always differentiating fanatics as aberrations and even to the point of blaming the U.S. for muslim attacks?
Yes.
quote:No. Most liberals are Christians.
Do Liberals constantly attack every symbol of Christianity, and ridicule Christians for their faith.
Yes.
quote:You're delusional. I'm liberal as are 98% of my friends. I know no one who has done this.
Do Liberals differentiate from blaming all Christians for fanatic and non violent acts from the majority of Christians?
No.
quote:I'm sure some do but I would hope most of any faith do not.
Do Liberals constantly ridicule Muslims for their faith?
No.
quote:I have muslim friends. I've never found them to do so. So no.
Does Islam have different appropriate behaviour standards toward fellow muslims and non-muslims?
Yes.
quote:I haven't spoken to all Christians but apparently you have so I'll take your word for it.
Do Christians have different appropriate behaviour standards toward fellow christians and non christians?
No.
quote:Only in your tiny pea brain.
Is relativism and weighted belief systems part of Liberal dogma?
Yes.
quote:I object to your premise that liberals find heinous and abominable practices acceptable.
Is any behaviour which is acceptable under Lib relativism though heinous or abominable under objective standards, not only possible but probable?
Yes.
quote:When you signed in this morning you broke that rule.
By the way Vegas Bengal, you violated your bible's Rule #2, since you forgot, "Avoid issues you have no knowledge of"
Are you that goofy woman that was here a few years ago from the Carolinas? I haven't seen any woman on the level of SECCrazy since.
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