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US Auto Bailout Caused More TARP Losses Than Banks (CNN)

Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:11 pm
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:11 pm
The overall TARP program is basically unwound and resulted in a net positive cash flow of $15.3 billion to the Federal Government, but this was after $9.2 billion in losses to GM & Chrysler. Pretty surprised to see CNN openly state the following:

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Overall, the auto bailout was the one big money loser for TARP. Even with the Ally sale, taxpayers lost about $9.2 billion.

But opting not to bail out the auto industry likely would have proven far more costly, since GM, Chrysler and many car dealers likely would have gone out of business without the government's help.

If GM and Chrysler had gone under, it would have cost an estimated $39 billion to $105 billion in lost tax revenues as well as assistance to the unemployed, according to a study from the Center for Auto Research. And the government also would have been on the hook for billions in promised pension payments to autoworkers.


Yet Toyota, BMW, and other "foreign" auto companies who employ thousands of American workers in non-union factories required no assistance (to be fair, neither did Ford). While I'm not in favor of "abandoning free market principles to save the free market," I find it amusing that the bank bailouts resulted in a net gain while the auto company bailouts resulted in a net loss. Blame those evil banks, Democrats, and keep kicking the can with the unions.

CNN Money
Posted by Brightside Bengal
Old Metairie
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:00 am to
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And the government also would have been on the hook for billions in promised pension payments to autoworkers.


Refresh my memory, why would the gov't have been responsible to pay pension benefits of private companies (GM/Chrysler) if they went bankrupt?
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4583 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 7:27 am to
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15600 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 7:30 am to
If they weren't allowed to file bankruptcy and the government nationalized them, they'd be on the hook for the liabilities. To my understanding.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90404 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 7:33 am to
Thing is, they wouldn't have gone under for long. Someone would have came along and bought out those companies and continued production under new management and a better business plan.

Just like what happened with Hostess
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
66968 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 7:35 am to
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Thing is, they wouldn't have gone under for long. Someone would have came along and bought out those companies and continued production under new management and a better business plan.

Just like what happened with Hostess


Exactly. The difference is that the union contracts would have been renegotiated. With the bailout, the unions got to keep their sweetheart deal.
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4583 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 7:35 am to
Do these projections assume this void is not filled by more productive operators supplying these same products, jobs, taxes, etc?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126841 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:13 am to
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More TARP Losses Than Banks
As your link indicates, taxpayers ended up making a profit off of the banks' TARP money.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51316 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:25 am to
If you remember, some of the banks such as Wells Fargo didn't want the money nor needed it but were forced to take it.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:58 am to
So the government got equity in distressed businesses at distressed prices, and basically rigged the markets to insure those businesses recovered. And then when those businesses ceased to be distressed, and their market values increased, the government sold at a profit. Sounds like a great way to run an economy.
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