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re: Rubio: If Paul Wants to be Obama’s Chief Cheerleader,’ He Can Go for It"
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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right, the point being the Dems are no more accepting of the Paul's than establishment R's. It's all conditional and acceptance is based on mutual agreement, it's not universal respect.
I actually repect Paul more than establishement Republicans and establishment Democrats, and I'd vote for him over Hillary. How much more respect do you expect me to give him?
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:27 pm to TOKEN
Yea, I'm sure Rubio and Robert Menendez Cuban American Democrat who BOTH oppose this policy have no idea what they are talking about. 
One should just back the President because you think it is honorable inspite of what they know won't happen in Cuba from this. It having trade with Cuba and normalizing relations is such a good deal for the Cuban people then why hasn't the fact that Europe and Asia have had normal relations with them for years helped in all of this time? The only thing it helps is the Castro's and their ruling party.
One should just back the President because you think it is honorable inspite of what they know won't happen in Cuba from this. It having trade with Cuba and normalizing relations is such a good deal for the Cuban people then why hasn't the fact that Europe and Asia have had normal relations with them for years helped in all of this time? The only thing it helps is the Castro's and their ruling party.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:36 pm to trackfan
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. How much more respect do you expect me to give him?
I respect Bernie Sanders more than I respect mainstream Dems or R's, but I wouldn't vote for the guy.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:36 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Truthfully, what is the difference between Rand Paul's foreign policy ideology and Obama's? Aren't both of them firmly in the "blame America first" camp?
Yes
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:42 pm to texastigerr
How is Cuba any different than China or Saudi Arabia? Both have worse human rights records than Cuba, yet we embrace doing business with them. Obviously the embargo and Isolation has not worked, I would think that any rational person would want to give another strategy a chance.
Still, Rubio and Menendez have a right to an opinion like the millions that believe trade with China is atrocious. The Canadians and Europeans do business with Cuba too?
Still, Rubio and Menendez have a right to an opinion like the millions that believe trade with China is atrocious. The Canadians and Europeans do business with Cuba too?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:01 pm to TOKEN
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someone who opposed the Civil Rights Act.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I respect Bernie Sanders more than I respect mainstream Dems or R's, but I wouldn't vote for the guy.
So you'd vote for Rubio over Sanders? IMO, Paul and Sanders are better than any MSM Republican or Democrat.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:07 pm to Antonio Moss
Don't laugh it's true.
He got cute with his libertarian principles and slipped up. I can show the Maddow clip and transcripts if you would like?
He got cute with his libertarian principles and slipped up. I can show the Maddow clip and transcripts if you would like?
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:09 pm to trackfan
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So you'd vote for Rubio over Sanders? IMO, Paul and Sanders are better than any MSM Republican or Democrat.
I'd vote for neither
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:11 pm to TOKEN
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Don't laugh it's true.
He opposes Article II of the CRA; not the whole thing. I agree with him. Article II is a disgrace to the notion of property rights and bastardization of the Commerce Clause.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:12 pm to TOKEN
This is exactly why I'd never back Rubio. He's a status quo chump piece of shite.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:27 pm to TOKEN
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Don't laugh it's true.
He got cute with his libertarian principles and slipped up. I can show the Maddow clip and transcripts if you would like?
Let's be honest. Due to Paul's political inexperince at the time, he foolishly allowed himself to get sucked into a philosophical discussion on libertarianism with respect to the CRA. It was obvious he didn't want to discuss it, but Maddow persisted and got him to take the bait. Perhaps Ron Paul opposed the 1964 CRA, but considering the fact that he was barely a year old at the time, I think its safe to say that Rand didn't even know what the CRA was, much less have an opinion on it. Furthermore, I've never heard either Ron or Rand say that if elected, they would revisit or overturn the CRA, and if Rand considers it settled law, his philosophical ideals are irrelvant to me. Here's how George Will summed up Rand Paul's faux pas.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:33 pm to ryanlsu
quote:I think you are overstating the support from Russia and Venezuela. Beyond that, telling us to ignore every year when Cuba had support from another country is incrediby short-sighted. These things don't work in a vacuum. Another country could settle in and provide support and likely will with a continued embargo.
All of you idiots keep saying this in every thread about Cuba and it is just not true. Yes the embargo has been in place longer than 50 years, but the USSR was supporting Cuba for 30 of them. Any true effect was mitigated by the USSR just giving them money. And after the USSR collapsed, Venezuela started giving them oil, aid, and money. Putin started helping Cuba again when he became the leader of Russia as he reached out to old cold war allies.
Why is this significant? Because Venezuela is going broke and the free oil for Cuba is running out. Russia is going broke and the aid to Cuba is stopping. Because of this Cuba was going broke and actual changes were happening.
Also, any change of government is going to be less likely in our favor if we maintain these sanctions. After waiting 50 years it is really too late for anyone to start crying "Wait, we almost have them!" Legit or not, enough is enough.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:34 pm to Antonio Moss
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He opposes Article II of the CRA; not the whole thing. I agree with him. Article II is a disgrace to the notion of property rights and bastardization of the Commerce Clause.
Without Article II, airlines, taxis, hotels and restaurants would be free to discriminate. New Orleans lost the 1965 AFL Championship game because the downtown hotels refused to accomodate the Black players. I still remember my family being turned away from a restuarant during a family vacation/road trip, shortly after my Dad returned from serving as an infantry captian in Vietnam. You may want to go back those "good ole days", but I sure as hell don't
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