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re: Omer Asik
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:17 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:17 am to TeddyPadillac
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He can make 12 when the cap is over 85 million, but that might not be for another 2 years.
We already saw wage inflation based on speculation of the TV deal this past offseason. The market doesn't consider fan desires or even GM desires when it sets prices. The market just cares about how much the other teams are willing to pay.
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There's cheaper options out there that can do what he does.
Who? 2015 FA starting quality centers:
Pero Antic RFA
Brook Lopez (Player Option)
Al Jefferson (Player Option)
Tyson Chandler
Greg Monroe
Roy Hibbert (Player Option)
DeAndre Jordan
Marc Gasol
Kendrick Perkins
Robin Lopez
Enes Kanter RFA
Non Starters that aren't nearly as good but might be "good enough"
Bismack Biyombo RFA
Kosta Koufos
Jordan Hill
Samuel Dalembert
Nick Collison
Kevin Seraphin
On the plus side this list is pretty extensive and I didn't include a handful of bigs that don't really fit what we're looking for like Brandan Wright and some of the older guys. More Supply = Lower Prices. So I don't think Asik for $8-$10 million in today's cap dollars is impossible, but I still think $12 is the realistic market price.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:18 am to TeddyPadillac
Maybe 5 of them is on the same level as asik. And what offensive game does Jordan have?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:20 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Who? 2015 FA starting quality centers:
Pero Antic RFA
Brook Lopez (Player Option)
Al Jefferson (Player Option)
Tyson Chandler
Greg Monroe
Roy Hibbert (Player Option)
DeAndre Jordan
Marc Gasol
Kendrick Perkins
Robin Lopez
Enes Kanter RFA
Not to make it seem like i disagree with you that we should keep Asik. But thats a fricking haul right there haha. I could see all of those player options being declined, though ill admit i dont know the value of each option.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:21 am to JayJay2
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And what offensive game does Jordan have?
he can catch and he can jump.
He absolutely demands major attention when he roles to the rim.
No one cares about Asik at any point on the offensive end. The only thought that the defense puts into Asik is when a shot goes up to block him out.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:23 am to JayJay2
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And what offensive game does Jordan have?
He can dunk and is pretty effective at finishing at the rim. Asik is pretty abysmal at finishing around the rim.
Still, Asik is very good at what he does. With the amount of C's this offseason he won't get overpaid. But I would still think 10 is a very adequate number for him as opposed to 12.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:25 am to Fun Bunch
I'm not trying to bash Asik as if i don't want him. I just don't want to overpay for him.
If we are dead set on spending our entire cap space on a center, then he better be a big time difference maker, not a role player.
If we are dead set on spending our entire cap space on a center, then he better be a big time difference maker, not a role player.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:32 am to TeddyPadillac
Couldn't we sign other players first then go over the cap to sign Asik?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:34 am to TeddyPadillac
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If we are dead set on spending our entire cap space on a center,
I think if you told me I could get Jimmy Butler and Kosta Koufos or Gerald Green and Asik, I'd go with Butler and Koufos. The problem is I don't think Butler is a realistic target unless you're willing to trade something of value like Ryno. Just because you have the money to overpay on a skill position doesn't mean that's an option. Asik and Green is better than Koufos and scrambling to fill the SF spot after whiffing on Jimmy Butler and having our cap space tied up for 3 days.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:37 am to Fun Bunch
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Couldn't we sign other players first then go over the cap to sign Asik?
No. His cap hold will be 150% of his previous salary which is $12.45. LINK So his cap hold will probably (hopefully) be more than what he ends up making and you create cap space by signing him.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:38 am to TigerinATL
I would be thrilled with this offseason if we have Asik and Gerald Green.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:38 am to TigerinATL
Damn. Oh well.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:41 am to TigerinATL
there are a lot of good SG/SF options this summer, on top of the multiple available centers.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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there are a lot of good SG/SF
Not the caliber you're talking about. There are just 2, Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard.
The 4 Greens are good, but are all flawed role players just like Asik. Mike Dunleavy and Wes Matthews are the only other SG/SF FAs I'd think about signing, but they're limited role players as well.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:59 am to TeddyPadillac
DeMarre Carroll
Jimmy Butler (R)
Jeff Green (P)
Aaron Afflalo (P)
Draymond Green (R)
Gerald Green
Wesley Matthews
Danny Green
Kawhi Leonard (R)
Those are the starting quality wing players that could be on the market this off season (only included those that I thought could possibly be a fit).
Jimmy Butler (R)
Jeff Green (P)
Aaron Afflalo (P)
Draymond Green (R)
Gerald Green
Wesley Matthews
Danny Green
Kawhi Leonard (R)
Those are the starting quality wing players that could be on the market this off season (only included those that I thought could possibly be a fit).
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 11:01 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:03 am to TigerinATL
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The 4 Greens are good, but are all flawed role players just like Asik. Mike Dunleavy and Wes Matthews are the only other SG/SF FAs I'd think about signing, but they're limited role players as well.
I keep going back and forth on the Greens. I think Draymond would be the best fit, but I think he'll be locked up by the Warriors.
Danny would be a good 3 and D fit, but I'm not certain how well he could guard SFs.
I really like that Gerald can shoot the 3 ball, but I'm not sure that he fits with Monty.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:37 am to TigerinATL
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Wes Matthews are the only other SG/SF FAs I'd think about signing, but they're limited role players as well.
Matthews is good. I'd take him over Gordon and Evans. Read a few pieces rating him as good as Thompson before Klay started showing more this season.
Good shooter, tough defender, and the ability to post up smaller guards. He plays in the Flow, so he's not a ball stopper. I don't see Portland letting him get away for whatever the Pels could muster.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:40 am to corndeaux
I'd love to have Matthews. I'd certainly rather him than Tyreke or Gordon as well.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:45 am to corndeaux
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Good shooter, tough defender, and the ability to post up smaller guards. He plays in the Flow, so he's not a ball stopper. I don't see Portland letting him get away for whatever the Pels could muster.
I read something a while back about Portland possibly not bringing him back, but I don't remember why. Maybe they weren't going to shell out cash for him?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:47 am to corndeaux
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That said, I agree that it is a flawed way to look at it. It's the best way I know, but it is, ultimately, an imperfect way of looking at it.
I could imagine some stats that would control for competition. A plus minus that is weighted against the plus-minus of the 5 on the other team. It would certainly get complicated, but I bet it could be done with the amount of analytics in basketball now.
As much as I complain about the illogical basketball culture that does things like sitting players for foul trouble, its worlds ahead of football. I feel like basketball is only a few decades away from not having absolutely horrible illogical coaches across the board. There are people with a clue, they just aren't usually coaches. But you see the willingness for cultural change with stuff like Hack-a-shaq, 2 for 1, and Brad Stevens hiring an analytics nerd as an assistant.
Football uses rules of thumb that were created(probably not by logical people with a clue but by really stupid overgrown coaches that were big enough to play football) in an era where the rules and capabilities were so different that it is hardly even the same sport. Its unbelievable that voluntarily turning the ball over on 4th down is still a commonly practiced thing.
It's the main reason I now like basketball way more than football. And why I turn games off when players get sat for foul trouble.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:53 am to Epic Cajun
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Maybe they weren't going to shell out cash for him?
Wow. That makes some sense though. Aldridge and Lopez are UFA. Lillard will get a max next summer. So I guess it is getting tight? Maybe they try to convince Aldridge to take a discount?
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