re: Omer Asik

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Fantastic

ORating 109
DRating 97

Gordon has solid Net Ratings with every core guy (no lower than +4 with Davis and topping out at +11 with Asik) except Anderson (-3.5). Last year's Finishing 5 is breaking even this year. 120 and 120.

Gordon only has 370 minutes. But the numbers indicate the team misses him in a big way.

The original starting 5:

ORating 110
DRating 98

The current starting 5

ORating 101
Drating 111

Obviously a small sample, but Gordon was helping the team despite a career low FG%. It's not all about points.

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Gordon's defense was really, really good. He seems to really get the rotations right. There were numerous times where he pinched down on the post, forced a pass and was in his guys pocket as soon as the big passed out of the double. He was definitely starting to live up to his old reputation as a top flight defender before he went down.

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I always get those confused. I'm working on it though

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Get it together, man!

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higher cap isnt' supposed to start until after next year i thought, 2017 season

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Right. So next year at around $66M, then a jump to maybe $80, perhaps even $90M. .

Demps almost has to give Asik a new contract after either making the playoffs with him or shipping out another 1st for him. I agree with ATL on the money. It will take a while for it to sink in that $12M is the new $8M.

If it's a new braintrust, it's a bit trickier I think. A back injury for a big is scary and he's already 28. Also, re-signing Asik, Anderson, and Davis will cost something like $50M/year. So what do they envision for Davis? You get a guy like Karl and I think he's tempted to roll with Davis at the 5 a good bit. So does it make as much sense to put big money into a guy like Asik? Or do they pull a SA and find a cheap stretch 4 (hello, Matt Bonner) to replace Anderson, still allowing for small ball units, but protecting Davis from undue pounding?

That last part has been a bit of a pet peeve of mine recently- I'd like to see more cross matching with Davis/Asik. Like v Portland- and I know it wouldn't have mattered anyway. Have Asik stick to Aldridge, let Davis mess around with Freeland or Lopez. Or v LAC- Grififin can physically dominate Davis, not so much Asik. Jordan is bigger too, but if they want to use possessions to post Jordan up v Davis, that's a win for the Pels.

I like what Asik does, but i'm just not a fan of paying a center a lot of money, unless he's a sure fire all star, and even then, i'd rather pay a SG or SF that money.
I've said it a million times on here, there's isn't a center in the league that wins championships outside of Duncan, Shaq and Hakeem.
This day in age, the center is a role player, and if he has no offense but is a great defender, why pay him as much as you'd pay a really good SG or SF, or PF, positions that are the reason championships are won.
A trio of Davis/Asik/anyone isn't winning anything. i don't want Asik making top 3 money on this team.

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Not if the owners keep monkeying around. Their smoothing proposal is to give extra money next year to the union to distribute rather than adding it to the cap. The union sees this as an attempt to artificially reduce wages by not making it available to the cap and aren't interested. So we may not get any smoothing and then once the money starts coming in the next year the CBA says it goes to the cap.

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Why do the owners want the smoothing? What benefit is it to them?

Spillter has an offensive game. He's worth 9 million.
and the Spurs have 3 vastly underpaid players in Ginobili, Leanord and Green.

I like Asik, i just don't want to pay top money for a guy that is that bad on offense. He's a terrible free throw shooter and on top of that he seems to have a hard time finishing at the rim, which is retarded for a 7'2" guy.

Name a starting center as bad as him on offense? You could name 25 centers in the league that can play good enough defense that aren't as terrible on offense

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I like Asik, i just don't want to pay top money for a guy that is that bad on offense.

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$8 million is not top money, and in fact you already said you're "very happy" with $8 million. You either are not "very happy" with Asik making $8 million or are refusing to accept that Asik's next deal will be affected by the TV deal that starts in only 1 more year.

$12 million is the new $8 million

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$12 million is the new $8 million

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Ehhhhh. Maybe, but it is hard to see it that way right now.

I wouldn't want to pay Asik more than 8-10 range for 3 years, and I am an Asik defender.

He's very good at what he does, which has a lot of value, but has such a giant gaping hole in his game that he should not get more than 10 million per.

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There's cheaper options out there that can do what he does.

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Name 1.

I'd be pretty upset if they let him walk for 12mil. I'd be really pumped if they keep him for 10mil.