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Now that Conservatives claim that rhetoric is to blame for murders
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:26 pm
Is it not also feasible that institutional racism and rhetoric from the right could also be blamed? Seems like for so long the Republicans were supposed to be about personal responsibility and were quick to denounce anyone who blamed gun violence on anyone other than the people who actually committed the crimes. Blaming guns was dumb. Blaming societal factors and agitators was dumb. Ultimately it was the fault of whomever the murderer is.
Already, people are jumping on this.
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Expect to see a big resurgence of articles and OP-eds in the media about how Republicans have "blood on their hands" because they implement policies that fail to lift blacks out of poverty. After all it is now fair game to blame politicians for the actions of senseless murderers.
Already, people are jumping on this.
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I assume this means we can blame Bill O'Reilly for his 28 episodes of invective against "Tiller the Baby Killer" that eventually ended in the murder of Wichita abortion provider George Tiller by anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder. We can blame conservative talk radio for fueling the anti-government hysteria that led Timothy McVeigh to bomb a federal building in Oklahoma City. We can blame the relentless xenophobia of Fox News for the bombing of an Islamic Center in Joplin or the massacre of Sikh worshippers by a white supremacist in Wisconsin. We can blame the NRA for the mass shootings in Newtown and Aurora. We can blame Republicans for stoking the anti-IRS paranoia that prompted Andrew Joseph Stack to crash a private plane into an IRS building in Austin, killing two people. We can blame the Christian Right for the anti-gay paranoia that led the Westboro Baptist Church to picket the funeral of Matthew Snyder, a US Marine killed in Iraq, with signs that carried their signature "God Hates figs" slogan. We can blame Sean Hannity for his repeated support of Cliven Bundy's "range war" against the BLM, which eventually motivated Jerad and Amanda Miller to kill five people in Las Vegas after participating in the Bundy standoff and declaring, "If they're going to come bring violence to us, well, if that's the language they want to speak, we'll learn it." And, of course, we can blame Rudy Giuliani and the entire conservative movement for their virtually unanimous indifference to the state-sanctioned police killings of black suspects over minor offenses in Ferguson and Staten Island, which apparently motivated the murder of the New York police officers on Saturday.
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Expect to see a big resurgence of articles and OP-eds in the media about how Republicans have "blood on their hands" because they implement policies that fail to lift blacks out of poverty. After all it is now fair game to blame politicians for the actions of senseless murderers.
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Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:31 pm to Asgard Device
Welcome to American Politics in 2014. Where both right and left never want to let a tragedy go to waste.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:32 pm to Asgard Device
You put a lot of effort into this.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:32 pm to Asgard Device
If liberals blame guns for Sandy Hook, why does it hurt your brain that Conservatives see a link between speeches given and this act?
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:33 pm to Asgard Device
Timothy McVeigh 
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:34 pm to Asgard Device
Yeah, blaming anyone but the killer is stupid.
Conservatives have been railing against the "blame game" for two decades, but now shift to it when it suits them
So stupid.
I am a conservative. I only blame the cop killer. HE is responsible for his own actions.
Conservatives have been railing against the "blame game" for two decades, but now shift to it when it suits them
So stupid.
I am a conservative. I only blame the cop killer. HE is responsible for his own actions.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:34 pm to StrangeBrew
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If liberals blame guns for Sandy Hook, why does it hurt your brain that Conservatives see a link between speeches given and this act?
Bc they are both wrong and its clear hypocrisy.
Lawd, I guess nobody was ever taught "two wrongs dont make a right?"
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:35 pm to Asgard Device
Dude, the guy literally hashtagged about Brown and Garner in the social media post claiming he was going to "give pigs wings today." He then proceeded to murder two in-uniform police officers in cold blood. You're saying there was absolutely no connection? You're lying to yourself.
I mean how blinded by ideology can you be?
I mean how blinded by ideology can you be?
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:37 pm to Asgard Device
I can see blaming media and filthy politicians for developing viewpoints. Blaming for actions.... Nah, that's on the individual.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:39 pm to StrangeBrew
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If liberals blame guns for Sandy Hook, why does it hurt your brain that Conservatives see a link between speeches given and this act?
I think they're both wrong. Democrats and Republicans. Both wrong. I think Democrats were on the wrong side of the Ferguson incident. A bunch of idiots, if you ask me. The NYPD "I can't breathe" incident was truly fricked up though. Not that it matters.
The point is that it is idiotic to blame anyone other than whomever committed the crime. If orders were given, like if you employed somebody to kill another then that's a different story. I don't think idiotic, divisive rhetoric counts.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:41 pm to Angry Penguin
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Blaming for actions.... Nah, that's on the individual.
Absolutely. The thing is (and the OP has to know this, or he is completely delusional) NO ONE has blamed the media for these murders. BUT I think that most rational people who know the facts can conclude that the media (and that includes social media) treatment of the Brown and Garner incidents were the impetus for Ismaaiyl Brinsley's actions.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:41 pm to Asgard Device
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it is idiotic to blame anyone other than whomever committed the crime
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:48 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Bc they are both wrong and its clear hypocrisy.
Lawd, I guess nobody was ever taught "two wrongs dont make a right?"
I was taught not to do wrong, by word or deed. Pointing out that guns were not the problem in Sandy Hook and this individual premeditated his own demise based on a narrative stoked by national coverage of some events with affirmation by the President, Mayor of NYC and 60 time visitor to the White House is part of pointing out the hypocrisy.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:49 pm to Asgard Device
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Blaming guns was dumb. Blaming societal factors and agitators was dumb. Ultimately it was the fault of whomever the murderer is.
I kige this.
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Already, people are jumping on this.
Idiots.
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We can blame conservative talk radio for fueling the anti-government hysteria that led Timothy McVeigh to bomb a federal building in Oklahoma City.
Apparently the Waco massacre was completely unknown before talk radio discussed those issues. And that part of the Mother Jones rant is entirely the opposite of what it said later in the paragraph:
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And, of course, we can blame Rudy Giuliani and the entire conservative movement for their virtually unanimous indifference to the state-sanctioned police killings of black suspects over minor offenses in Ferguson and Staten Island, which apparently motivated the murder of the New York police officers on Saturday.
So according to Mother Jones, if liberals are in charge (Janet Reno/Waco) and the government commits violence against citizens, any retaliatory acts are the fault of those who criticized the government action. But if conservatives are in charge (Rudy/NYPD) and the government commits violence against citizens, retaliatory acts are the natural response to the government's crimes.
Some other gems from this rant:
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We can blame the Christian Right for the anti-gay paranoia that led the Westboro Baptist Church to picket the funeral of Matthew Snyder, a US Marine killed in Iraq, with signs that carried their signature "God Hates figs" slogan.
This is a despicable act but it's nonviolent and is protected as free speech. And Fred Phelps was a Democrat.
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We can blame Republicans for stoking the anti-IRS paranoia that prompted Andrew Joseph Stack to crash a private plane into an IRS building in Austin, killing two people
This moron really can't make up his mind. You don't see random Americans carrying out suicide missions based on some general principle about government abuse. And Stack doesn't fit into the rant anyway. He had a long-running personal beef with the IRS. And his manifesto railed against a laundry list of LIBERAL, not conservative, bogeymen.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:57 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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And his manifesto railed against a laundry list of LIBERAL, not conservative, bogeymen.
Yes! And oh by the way, I haven't heard anyone deny that conservative talk radio contributed to these fringe crazies committing murders. That would be wrong. Just like claiming that the media treatment of the Brown/Garner fiascos didn't contribute to the murder of these two cops would be wrong
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:59 pm to Asgard Device
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killings of black suspects over minor offenses in Ferguson and Staten Island
Minor offenses
So attacking a cop and trying to take his gun is a minor offense now? Garner died because he had health problems, not because the cop choked him to death.
You can only blame the individual for his actions and not controlling his emotions. The difference though in what you posted is only about conservative media...media on both sides stoke the flames. Always have, it's just what they do and sadly it does drive some of the loons too far.
What we have a problem with on here is the liberal politicians stoking the flames..they should be above that and try to diffuse these situations, not make them worse by giving legitimacy to illegal actions. Doing that will only make matters worse and motivate the crazies to carry out more violence.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 8:21 pm to Asgard Device
I don't know if I've ever seen so much fail in just one post --
Posted on 12/21/14 at 8:47 pm to Asgard Device
Do you mean the institutional racism that allows blacks to get accepted into colleges ahead of whites and Asians with better test scores ?
Abortion is murder, reporting on abortionist that do grotesque abortions is as much a part of the news as liberals not telling the full story, this is a country divided 50/50 on abortion ( after 40 years of brainwashing kids ) but the country is divided about Fergenson, the guy went for the officers gun, and the big guy in N.Y. resisted arrest, his health WAS HIS PROBLEM.
You mean like the homosexual who got murdered by his lover and they blamed on people who hated homos ?
Rudy cleaned up N.Y., it was a dumpster fire until he turned it around, got to love all you guys who love the criminals over the good guys.
Abortion is murder, reporting on abortionist that do grotesque abortions is as much a part of the news as liberals not telling the full story, this is a country divided 50/50 on abortion ( after 40 years of brainwashing kids ) but the country is divided about Fergenson, the guy went for the officers gun, and the big guy in N.Y. resisted arrest, his health WAS HIS PROBLEM.
You mean like the homosexual who got murdered by his lover and they blamed on people who hated homos ?
Rudy cleaned up N.Y., it was a dumpster fire until he turned it around, got to love all you guys who love the criminals over the good guys.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 8:49 pm to MMauler
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I don't know if I've ever seen so much fail in just one post --
Maybe you're just too dense to see how you're no better than the Democrats.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:18 pm to Asgard Device
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because they implement policies that fail to lift blacks out of poverty
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