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re: Cop killer in FL may have said he wanted to seek revenge against police
Posted on 12/21/14 at 4:36 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 12/21/14 at 4:36 pm to upgrayedd
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I just noticed the chick on the far right of your avi pic. Saluting with her left hand
She's the bosun and is holding the bosun's pipe in her right hand. By regulation, Sailors may salute with their left hand when their right is otherwise encumbered. Though I believe a Bosun's non-piping hand is supposed to remain at his/her side while piping someone aboard or ashore (by reg), by tradition most will salute with their left hand if holding pipe with their right.
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Posted on 12/21/14 at 4:40 pm to Hog on the Hill
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This is what happens when we pull quotes out of context.
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edit: This is also what happens when journalists aren't careful with pronouns. The writer should have said the name of the person and not just "he" so it would be clear who said the killing was for revenge.
This is also what happens when a clever sleight of hand can shoehorn a story into the sexiness narrative of the current News Cycle. Maybe it was accidental and sloppy, maybe it was a simple case of "let's let the "link" leak out and later print a clarification" after we've already gotten our quota of hits.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 4:42 pm to cwill
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I think every cop killed over the next year will be obama-holder-deblasios fault....kinda like every assault was the knockout game in 2013.
Ding ding ding.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 4:50 pm to Revelator
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There is a vast difference between those who complain about abuses by cops and a growing police state and those who want cops killed right?
I'm sure the majority, but then that wasn't for them anyway right?
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 5:46 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I don't know why, lsut81, but I'm going to try one more time with you. I would appreciate a response that has some relevance to what I am about to say.
I'm using my phone right now, so can't copy/paste, but in your last response to me you asked me to show you where Obama had endorsed or promoted the idea of killing cops.
Really, bro? Did you actually think about that before you typed it? Of course Obama isn't going to openly endorse the killing of cops. I never even said that he wants that to happen, btw. Come on, man. Any president who would openly endorse cop killing, even the first black president, would be forced to resign.
So, please stop sensationalizing this topic. Okay?
Now, here's what Obama has done. He sent Eric Holder, the nation's highest-ranking law enforcement officer, to Ferguson, where Holder promptly announced, "I'm here as a black man," and then he subsequently announced that the DOJ was opening up a civil rights investigation into the Ferguson Police Department. Please keep in mind that, by that time, Holder was aware of the autopsy results, the tape of Brown burglarizing the convenience store, the fact that the autopsy had completely discredited Dorian Johnson as a credible witness, and he also knew that half a dozen witnesses had basically corroborated Darren Wilson's account of what had happened.
There was never any reason to race-bait the Ferguson situation. On the night the verdict came out, Obama said something like, "While there may not have been any wrongdoing in this case, there is nonetheless a pattern of misconduct by police in minority communities."
Then, Obama goes before the United Nations and uses Ferguson as an example of racial divisiveness in America, EVEN THOUGH THE OFFICER HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG.
Then, Obama meets with Al Sharpton and other protest organizers IN THE WHITE HOUSE, and tells them to "stay the course.". Why? The Ferguson situation did not even warrant any protests.
In Ferguson, NYC, and Washington, DC, we had organized protests with chants of "we want dead cops." Are you not aware of that.
So, there you have it for Obama, Holder, and Sharpton, and De Blasio totally threw NYPD under the bus with his comments. Now, we have 2 dead NYPD cops, and the killer told us why he was going to do it on Twiiter. "2 of them for every brother."
If you or anybody can't see the needless way that racial tensions have been ratcheted up, especially given how ridiculous and wrong the Ferguson hype was, then I can't help you. Obama and Holder were completely out of order in falsely making Ferguson into something it never was, De Blasio threw his own police force under the bus on the Garner situation, and Sharpton has played his usual role in all of it.
I'm sure I won't get a sensible response from you, 81, but any reasonable person knows that animosity towards the cops, including outright race-baiting, has played a role in the current situation.
I'm using my phone right now, so can't copy/paste, but in your last response to me you asked me to show you where Obama had endorsed or promoted the idea of killing cops.
Really, bro? Did you actually think about that before you typed it? Of course Obama isn't going to openly endorse the killing of cops. I never even said that he wants that to happen, btw. Come on, man. Any president who would openly endorse cop killing, even the first black president, would be forced to resign.
So, please stop sensationalizing this topic. Okay?
Now, here's what Obama has done. He sent Eric Holder, the nation's highest-ranking law enforcement officer, to Ferguson, where Holder promptly announced, "I'm here as a black man," and then he subsequently announced that the DOJ was opening up a civil rights investigation into the Ferguson Police Department. Please keep in mind that, by that time, Holder was aware of the autopsy results, the tape of Brown burglarizing the convenience store, the fact that the autopsy had completely discredited Dorian Johnson as a credible witness, and he also knew that half a dozen witnesses had basically corroborated Darren Wilson's account of what had happened.
There was never any reason to race-bait the Ferguson situation. On the night the verdict came out, Obama said something like, "While there may not have been any wrongdoing in this case, there is nonetheless a pattern of misconduct by police in minority communities."
Then, Obama goes before the United Nations and uses Ferguson as an example of racial divisiveness in America, EVEN THOUGH THE OFFICER HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG.
Then, Obama meets with Al Sharpton and other protest organizers IN THE WHITE HOUSE, and tells them to "stay the course.". Why? The Ferguson situation did not even warrant any protests.
In Ferguson, NYC, and Washington, DC, we had organized protests with chants of "we want dead cops." Are you not aware of that.
So, there you have it for Obama, Holder, and Sharpton, and De Blasio totally threw NYPD under the bus with his comments. Now, we have 2 dead NYPD cops, and the killer told us why he was going to do it on Twiiter. "2 of them for every brother."
If you or anybody can't see the needless way that racial tensions have been ratcheted up, especially given how ridiculous and wrong the Ferguson hype was, then I can't help you. Obama and Holder were completely out of order in falsely making Ferguson into something it never was, De Blasio threw his own police force under the bus on the Garner situation, and Sharpton has played his usual role in all of it.
I'm sure I won't get a sensible response from you, 81, but any reasonable person knows that animosity towards the cops, including outright race-baiting, has played a role in the current situation.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 6:09 pm to KCT
I have not once claimed that Obama and Sharpton were not race baiters, not once. I think race relations have taken a major step back over the past six years of that piece of shite being in the whitehouse. What I have argued time and time again over the past 2 days is that people like you are using them as scapegoats.
Why aren't you calling out Lebron, Dwayne Wade, John Legend, or any of the other hundreds of celebrities and athletes that have made the same statements about Fergusson and NY that Obama, Sharpton, and Deblasio have made. Believe it or not, people listen to celebrities more than politicians. It's outrageous to say "the blood is on their hands" when all have condemned the violence, even going as far to say, as you pointed out, "stay on course"
The right wing talks a huge game on personal responsibility, so how about putting the blame on the piece of shite killer and morons like him praising the murder of cops??? Or is personal responsibility only a talking point when it fits the agenda?
And btw, I give plenty of responses that are objective. Just bc youre narrow minded and only get your talking points from Hannity, Limbaugh, or Coulter, thinking those are the only correct views, doesn't mean mine aren't valid. I think most here, that don't have their head up their asses, would say I float middle of the road and don't parrot bullshite talking points.
Why aren't you calling out Lebron, Dwayne Wade, John Legend, or any of the other hundreds of celebrities and athletes that have made the same statements about Fergusson and NY that Obama, Sharpton, and Deblasio have made. Believe it or not, people listen to celebrities more than politicians. It's outrageous to say "the blood is on their hands" when all have condemned the violence, even going as far to say, as you pointed out, "stay on course"
The right wing talks a huge game on personal responsibility, so how about putting the blame on the piece of shite killer and morons like him praising the murder of cops??? Or is personal responsibility only a talking point when it fits the agenda?
And btw, I give plenty of responses that are objective. Just bc youre narrow minded and only get your talking points from Hannity, Limbaugh, or Coulter, thinking those are the only correct views, doesn't mean mine aren't valid. I think most here, that don't have their head up their asses, would say I float middle of the road and don't parrot bullshite talking points.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 6:22 pm to Lsut81
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Why aren't you calling out Lebron, Dwayne Wade, John Legend, or any of the other hundreds of celebrities
Posted on 12/21/14 at 6:29 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 12/21/14 at 6:49 pm to Lsut81
Some of that was actually pretty decent, 81. Maybe you and I could both tone down our more vitriolic commentary towards each other, and we could have some decent discussions going forward.
A few points, to be made in a respectable manner:
(1) Honestly, I haven't heard any of the LeBron or Dwayne Wade stuff. If they've made irresponsible statements, then that's shameful. I take your word on that, btw, just saying that I didn't personally hear it. BUT, I hold elected officials like Obama, Holder, and De Blasio to A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY. Obama and Holder could've done so much to diffuse the totally overhyped situation in Ferguson, and the had a good deal of information EARLY which should have given them reason to tone things down, but they didn't do it. At the very least, they were guilty of pandering to the most diehard element of their base. At the worst, they used Ferguson to further some of their own strongly held agendas.
(2) Of course I blame these nutjobs who have actually murdered these cops. But, that's separate and aside from talking about the toxic racial environment that exists right now, especially the hatred of cops, and talking about the people that have helped to ratchet up this animus.
(3) Finally, my views about Obama run deep, and they are honestly-held feelings. I'll simply summarize something I posted the other day. I wish everybody would take some time to research Obama's background, and get a good feel for the left-wing nutjobs who helped to mold his mindset and core beliefs. He had radicals in his own family, and was introduced to Frank Marshall Davis thru his family. From there, Obama attended one left-wing university after another. Then he goes to Chicago, becomes an ACORN-style community organizer, becomes a close friend of people like Jeremiah Wright, to a lesser extent someone like Bill Ayers, etc.
The man's entire life has been spent being influenced by Left and Far Left individuals, and we have seen the fruit of that indoctrination. From the Cambridge police matter, to the Trayvon Martin case, Ferguson, etc. He's also tried to surround himself with left-wing extremists like Van Jones, although that particular attempt blew up in his face.
I'm not trying to change your mind about Obama. What I am saying is that my feelings about Obama are honest and deeply held.
And finally, I don't look to anybody for my talking points. Just like you, I follow politics very closely, and I neither need nor want anybody telling me what to think. Disagree with me all day long if you like, and that's fine, but I don't need anybody else telling me what to think or say. I'm capable of figuring out for myself how I feel about people and issues.
A few points, to be made in a respectable manner:
(1) Honestly, I haven't heard any of the LeBron or Dwayne Wade stuff. If they've made irresponsible statements, then that's shameful. I take your word on that, btw, just saying that I didn't personally hear it. BUT, I hold elected officials like Obama, Holder, and De Blasio to A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY. Obama and Holder could've done so much to diffuse the totally overhyped situation in Ferguson, and the had a good deal of information EARLY which should have given them reason to tone things down, but they didn't do it. At the very least, they were guilty of pandering to the most diehard element of their base. At the worst, they used Ferguson to further some of their own strongly held agendas.
(2) Of course I blame these nutjobs who have actually murdered these cops. But, that's separate and aside from talking about the toxic racial environment that exists right now, especially the hatred of cops, and talking about the people that have helped to ratchet up this animus.
(3) Finally, my views about Obama run deep, and they are honestly-held feelings. I'll simply summarize something I posted the other day. I wish everybody would take some time to research Obama's background, and get a good feel for the left-wing nutjobs who helped to mold his mindset and core beliefs. He had radicals in his own family, and was introduced to Frank Marshall Davis thru his family. From there, Obama attended one left-wing university after another. Then he goes to Chicago, becomes an ACORN-style community organizer, becomes a close friend of people like Jeremiah Wright, to a lesser extent someone like Bill Ayers, etc.
The man's entire life has been spent being influenced by Left and Far Left individuals, and we have seen the fruit of that indoctrination. From the Cambridge police matter, to the Trayvon Martin case, Ferguson, etc. He's also tried to surround himself with left-wing extremists like Van Jones, although that particular attempt blew up in his face.
I'm not trying to change your mind about Obama. What I am saying is that my feelings about Obama are honest and deeply held.
And finally, I don't look to anybody for my talking points. Just like you, I follow politics very closely, and I neither need nor want anybody telling me what to think. Disagree with me all day long if you like, and that's fine, but I don't need anybody else telling me what to think or say. I'm capable of figuring out for myself how I feel about people and issues.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:05 pm to KCT
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Some of that was actually pretty decent, 81. Maybe you and I could both tone down our more vitriolic commentary towards each other, and we could have some decent discussions going forward.
Agreed
Posted on 12/21/14 at 7:22 pm to KCT
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KCT
Great post! You are spot on in your analysis.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 8:26 pm to LSUwag
"Today, I will not answer the radio call that your boyfriend has come home drunk and is beating you again. Today, I will not answer the radio call that your 16 year old daughter, who is very responsible, is four hours late coming home from school. Today, I will not answer the radio call that your store has been robbed or your house has been burglarized. Today, I will not stop a drunk driver from killing someone. I will not catch a rapist or a murderer or a car thief. Today, I will not answer the radio call that a man has a gun or tried to abduct a child or that someone has been stabbed or has been in a terrible accident. Today, I will not save your child that you locked in a car or the child you were too busy to watch who went outside and fell into the swimming pool, but that I revived. No, today I will not do that.
Why? Because Today, I was killed by a drunk driver while I was helping push a disabled car off the highway. Today, I was shot and killed during a routine traffic stop to simply tell someone that they had a taillight out. Today, I was killed in a traffic accident rushing to help a citizen. Today, I was shot and killed serving a warrant on a known drug dealer. Today, I was killed by a man when I came by to do a welfare check because his family was to busy. Today, I was killed trying to stop a bank robbery or a grocery store robbery. Today, I was killed doing my job.
A chaplain and an officer will go to a house and tell a mom and dad or a wife or husband or a child that their son or daughter or husband or wife or father or mother won’t be coming home today. The flags at many police stations were flown at half-staff today but most people won’t know why. There will be a funeral and my fellow officers will come, a twenty-one-gun salute will be given, and taps will be played as I am laid to rest. My name will be put on a plaque, on a wall, in a building, in a city somewhere. A folded flag will be placed on a mantel or a bookcase in a home somewhere and a family will mourn.
There will be no cries for justice. There will be no riots in the streets. There will be no officers marching, screaming “no justice, no peace.” No citizens will scream that something must be done. No windows will be smashed, no cars burned, no stones thrown, no names called. Only someone crying themselves to sleep tonight will be the only sign that I was cared about.
I was a police officer." Unknown
Why? Because Today, I was killed by a drunk driver while I was helping push a disabled car off the highway. Today, I was shot and killed during a routine traffic stop to simply tell someone that they had a taillight out. Today, I was killed in a traffic accident rushing to help a citizen. Today, I was shot and killed serving a warrant on a known drug dealer. Today, I was killed by a man when I came by to do a welfare check because his family was to busy. Today, I was killed trying to stop a bank robbery or a grocery store robbery. Today, I was killed doing my job.
A chaplain and an officer will go to a house and tell a mom and dad or a wife or husband or a child that their son or daughter or husband or wife or father or mother won’t be coming home today. The flags at many police stations were flown at half-staff today but most people won’t know why. There will be a funeral and my fellow officers will come, a twenty-one-gun salute will be given, and taps will be played as I am laid to rest. My name will be put on a plaque, on a wall, in a building, in a city somewhere. A folded flag will be placed on a mantel or a bookcase in a home somewhere and a family will mourn.
There will be no cries for justice. There will be no riots in the streets. There will be no officers marching, screaming “no justice, no peace.” No citizens will scream that something must be done. No windows will be smashed, no cars burned, no stones thrown, no names called. Only someone crying themselves to sleep tonight will be the only sign that I was cared about.
I was a police officer." Unknown
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:18 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
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but how is this in any way related, or comparable?
You had the Bundys and a bunch of Tea Partiers armed and saying they were ready to be violent for their cause.
A short time later, two people who were involved in the Bundy standoff shot and killed two police officers in Nevada.
Seems almost directly analogous. But I'm not a partisan idiot. So it could be just me.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:05 pm to Tiguar
So basically this guy is the equivalent of that couple in Nevada that hung out at the little terrorist training camp or whatever in Nevada then killed cops in Las Vegas, only he's not actually tied directly to a group celebrated for breaking the law?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:10 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
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oh yeah I remember when the Tea Party "chanted what do we want? kill somebody now"
oh yeah I remember that, yeah, yeah, that is a fair, honest and accurate comparison
yeah, Thoreau could be thrown into that mix too when he famously said ...government which governs least governs best...' yeah that's the same thing
Huh, yeah I guess all that talk about "2nd amendment solutions" walking around playing soldier to aid the cause of a criminal and talking about the "tree of liberty being watered with the blood of martyrs" and stuff was just talk right?
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