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re: Oklahoma, Nebraska Ask U.S. Supreme Court To Overturn Colorado Marijuana Law
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:00 am to RCDfan1950
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:00 am to RCDfan1950
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And when it is legal, w...should those who consume it pay increased, health and auto premium costs? Can companies still employ testing standards in hiring, as performance stats reflect on the bottom line?
My opinion: Yes.
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Will States (taxpayers), be forced to bear the societal costs of many who will become unemployable/unemployed?
In my perfect world: No.
However I wonder if the savings on mj arrests and prosecutions will make up the difference.
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Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:41 am to Bestbank Tiger
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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
The bolded part bothers me. I could see the SC finding in favor of Nebraska here. It seems clear enough to me without looking into case history and how the Colorado law is written.
FTR, I'm not a pot smoker but if I was I would do if I wanted to regardless of whether or not it is legal just on general principal. The law is ridiculous and the only reason it is on the books is special interests that make a killing on the "war on drugs". I'll break dumbass laws that just because they need breaking. No one is sovereign over me except me.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 12:11 pm to RCDfan1950
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I don't give a hoot about who does what...but there will be consequences that will be paid for, in the Collective. All that glitters...ain't gold.
And what about the costs no longer borne by giving up the enormous resources it takes to prosecute the war on drugs? There are tradeoffs to everything.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 1:05 pm to Sentrius
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I really hope the Supremes refuse to hear this case.
Why? The fact is it clearly is a violation of law for a state law to trump federal law.
This "look the other way" is BS. Congress needs to legalize or enforce the law in the US
Posted on 12/20/14 at 1:25 pm to Mr.Perfect
Executive Branch is responsible for enforcement right?
Posted on 12/20/14 at 1:41 pm to SmackoverHawg
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Except alcohol is bad and has ruined millions of lives
That is true, but Marijuana isn't any better when abused. I have seen both drugs ruin lives.
Both also have benefits when used correctly
Posted on 12/20/14 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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any politician from OK/NE that claims to be for states rights that supports this suit is basically the definition of hypocrisy.
Exactly.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 1:53 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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but Marijuana isn't any better when abused.
Id beg to differ.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 2:06 pm to Sentrius
Could be applied to guns as well if they get what they want.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 2:07 pm to Sentrius
The hilarious thing is, Nebraska's AG is leaving office in three weeks. He's dropping this shitshow in his successor's lap, assuming it ever actually goes to court.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 2:21 pm to weagle99
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Executive Branch is responsible for enforcement right?
Correct. But they are making no issue out of it.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 2:21 pm to Sentrius
Well now Nebraska and Oklahoma know how it feels to have Mississippi oozing decades of red-neckery and dumb-assery across our borders. Oh yeah...NOW you are worried about The Supremacy clause and neighboring states creating "unneccesary burdens"....where were you when the people of Oxford descended on our fair state with all their pressed jeans and riding boots, waving confederate flags and calling each other Moopsie and Worthington and such....?
Posted on 12/20/14 at 2:25 pm to Mr.Perfect
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The fact is it clearly is a violation of law for a state law to trump federal law.
Are you talking about the regs/taxing?
The feds can still prosecute via federal law
Posted on 12/20/14 at 3:37 pm to ShyftingTiger91
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Id beg to differ.
I understand that, but I have seen the negative effects of MJ. It is a lot like tobacco as far as the effects on the lungs and it also has negative effects on behavior especially if you abuse it. Just like alcohol.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 4:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:This line of precedent is vulnerable because Scalia is an a-hole. Remember, he's already shown in Raich that his federalism principles are subordinate to his social conservatism.
and the USSC can't force the federal or state governments to execute their laws.
The majority for Printz was exactly the same as it was in Lopez and Morrison. I suspect that this might end up being the Raich of the anti-commandeering line of precedent, where Scalia stands athwart the court and says "okay, but not this far because weed is for hippies."
(This is also assuming Roberts and Alito decide the same way as Rehnquist and O'Connor, which is iffy.)
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/20/14 at 4:39 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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but Marijuana isn't any better when abused
Facts don't agree with you.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 4:41 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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It is a lot like tobacco as far as the effects on the lungs and it also has negative effects on behavior especially if you abuse it.
Even if I concede all this, that doesn't make it
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Just like alcohol.
EtOH is still much worse. As a cop, you should know this.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 12/20/14 at 4:43 pm to Iosh
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This line of precedent is vulnerable because Scalia is an a-hole. Remember, he's already shown in Raich that his federalism principles are subordinate to his social conservatism.
Ideology aside, Scalia really seems like an a-hole.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 4:57 pm to Sentrius
The faces of some of those people
Posted on 12/20/14 at 5:08 pm to Jim Rockford
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Ideology aside, Scalia really seems like an a-hole.
at best, he's world class smug
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