re: Fergusons famed and reliable "witness 40"--

quote:

---

If you read the transcript of the FBI interview, he does mention the cigarillos, but it's all very bizarre. He claims to have pulled the cigarillos out of brown's hands while Brown was simultaneously wrestling with Wilson.

---

Agreed. And other witnesses have said Brown threw them at Wilson. My point though is that the news interview I linked was before all of the other statements he made, it was his first telling of the story and it's the telling that introduced so many to the incident and it was full of bullshite.

quote:

---

Still 4 or 5 other witnesses that backed Wilson's account

the evidence supports it as well

---

Yup. Every bit of forensic evidence backs Wilson's story as does many of the witnesses. One that I have always found most interesting was this:

Starts around 6:19, and then again around 8:30. The guy holding the camera was telling people Brown did nothing but then after the first time we hear the other speaker say Brown charged Wilson he never again tries to defend Brown (even when someone nearby asks what happened).

quote:

---

I refuse to call a kid a "thug"

---

I call a thug a thug.

Brown was a thug by every available definition.

quote:

---

quote:

---

If you read the transcript of the FBI interview, he does mention the cigarillos, but it's all very bizarre. He claims to have pulled the cigarillos out of brown's hands while Brown was simultaneously wrestling with Wilson.

---

Agreed. And other witnesses have said Brown threw them at Wilson. My point though is that the news interview I linked was before all of the other statements he made, it was his first telling of the story and it's the telling that introduced so many to the incident and it was full of bullshite.

---

Both Darren Wilson and Dorian Johnson testified that Michael Brown handed the cigarillos to Dorian. Kind of ironic that you both identified that part of the statement as indicating that Dorian's testimony wasn't credible.

quote:

---

Still 4 or 5 other witnesses that backed Wilson's account

the evidence supports it as well

---

Who else? The only other one that backed him up was number 10 to my knowledge.

Yeah that tape was pretty strong...

Meanwhile you hear endless

"They killed that MF for no reason "

It seems clear that in fact justice was served in this case. That this is an instance where the system worked exactly as it was supposed to (except for the obviously unfortunate but ultimately justifiable death of Brown), makes it all the more ironic and tragicomic that all these idiots are out crying for "justice."

quote:

---

Yeah. I guess it's just dumb luck that they never recorded Officer Wilson's statement that first day.

---

Are you certain of that? That would be highly unusual. Or is it that they USE the one he gave the next day?

quote:

---

No photographs of him at the scene.

---

Is that confirmed? And if so, is that unusual? Is it standard procedure to photograph police officers on the scene?

quote:

---

Really unfortunate he wasn't recorded until the next afternoon after all of the forensics had been collected.

---

All the forensics? It is my understanding that the official autopsy was not completed before his testimony was taken.

That would be a truck-sized hole in the narrative you are trying to paint.

The kind who recognizes a POS human by his behavior?

quote:

---

quote:

---

They are facts that there was a fight in the car, brown slapped boxed with him

---

You admit this yet you still feel the need to take up the Micheal brown cause.

I'm not saying he got what he deserved but his behavior wasn't rational.

---

I'm not really sympathetic to Brown like I am to Trayvon Martin, who hadn't committed any crime and was on his way home minding his own business, when some POS cop-wannabe-reject decided to stalk him. We saw what Brown did in that convenience store video and that speaks for itself. Simple shoplifting by an 18-year-old kid can be written off as a youthful indiscretion, but he went far beyond that. A few minutes later, he put his hand in a police car with bad intentions. So Brown committed two felonies (strong-arm robbery and assault on a police officer) in ten minutes, and at that point, he deserved a severe arse-whippin' and some time in prison.

However, based on the reaction of the two landscape workers immediately after the shooting, it seems that at some point, Brown tried to give himself up. Wilson admits getting out of his car and chasing him, so we know Brown wasn't in attack mode at that point. Perhaps, Brown would have died anyway from the initial gunshot wounds that were fired in the car, but once Wilson saw that Brown was no longer a threat, and that he was trying to give himself up, the shooting should have stopped. My guess is that once Wilson started shooting, his emotions had probably been pushed over the top, at which point he wasn't able to turn it off no matter what Brown did. My guess is that in most situations in which a person decides to assault a cop, he's committed to fighting to the finish, so there's no need for the cop to turn it off before the person is incapacitated.