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Rand Paul backs Obama on Cuba

Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:12 pm
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Sen. Rand Paul broke with the field of Republicans considering a 2016 presidential run on Thursday, calling President Barack Obama's decision to normalize relations with Cuba a "good idea" since the American embargo against Cuba "just hasn't worked."

"The 50-year embargo with Cuba just hasn't worked," Paul said. "If the goal is regime change, it sure doesn't seem to be working and probably it punishes the people more than the regime because the regime can blame the embargo for hardship."


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Posted by FT
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:27 pm to
This baw just says whatever he wants.
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:28 pm to
Rand Paul is the only major Presidential candidate who is willing to weigh in on all the hot-button domestic and geopolitical issues of the day, without checking with handlers and spinmeisters or getting a wordsmith to write carefully crafted speech in which every word has been carefully measured and calibrated. All the other politicians are too terrified of jeopardizing Florida's electoral votes to speak their mind.
Posted by Tiguar
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:29 pm to
As should anyone with half a brain. This is the most meaningful and useful thing Obama has done and history will look kindly on it. He needed something to counter the cluster frick that is the ACA and he found it.
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:29 pm to
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This baw just says whatever he wants.

This is something you'll never see Hillary do.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:31 pm to
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As should anyone with half a brain. This is the most meaningful and useful thing Obama has done and history will look kindly on it. He needed something to counter the cluster frick that is the ACA and he found it.

Amen! Hopefully he'll follow up this up with a similar deal with Iran.

Posted by RebelExpress38
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:31 pm to
I hope they open up travel, I've heard Cuba has some pretty spectacular beaches. Imagine the investment opportunities if free trade opened up and Americans were allowed to purchase land and open businesses. Casinos and beach resorts would make a killing.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:34 pm to
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I hope they open up travel, I've heard Cuba has some pretty spectacular beaches. Imagine the investment opportunities if free trade opened up and Americans were allowed to purchase land and open businesses. Casinos and beach resorts would make a killing.


Ya, if travel opens up more freely I'm going before any of this Disney world shite happens
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:35 pm to
I can foresee some leftists groups staging protests at Guantanimo Bay in the future, with the Castro regime egging them on and providing them food and water.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:35 pm to
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Rand Paul is the only major Presidential candidate who is willing to weigh in on all the hot-button domestic and geopolitical issues of the day, without checking with handlers and spinmeisters or getting a wordsmith to write carefully crafted speech in which every word has been carefully measured and calibrated. All the other politicians are too terrified of jeopardizing Florida's electoral votes to speak their mind.


Except that Rubio and Jeb released statements immediately yesterday. Rand had to "no comment" for 24 hrs. But kudos on his willingness to break with other
Republicans.
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:36 pm to
Anybody who has been following him knew he would come out in favor of this.

I'd like to know where Jeb, Huck, and any of those other GOP jokers stand on the issue?












































Oh that's right. Polls haven't came out yet.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:37 pm to
A politician with principles...that's why he will be the first politician from one of the two controlling parties to get my vote in 12 years (3 Pres election cycles).
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:39 pm to
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Except that Rubio and Jeb released statements immediately yesterday.

That's not suprising considering the fact that Rubio is the son of Cuban refugees and Jeb was the governor of Florida. They've been pre-programmed to spout that Cold War rhetoric. It's their default position.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
17319 posts
Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:40 pm to
Rand Paul (and Obama) are spot on correct on this one. Cuba will quickly become a good neighbor, once we normalize relations with them.

I wonder what kind of immigration can of worms this might cause. Cubans have been given special immigration status for generations. I would guess that they will eventually lose their status and be treated like all other immigrants. This will really piss them off. I also wonder if it will start yet another mass influx of illegals to Florida like they did in the 80's and 90's.

Politically, Florida Cubans have historically been Republican but, in recent years, they are starting to become more and more Democrat. This might swing them back to the GOP in big numbers. Florida Cubans will strongly oppose this new policy.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:40 pm to
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STATEMENT: Governor Jeb Bush on President Obama's Cuba Policy Announcement
December 17, 2014 at 3:30pm
The Obama Administration’s decision to restore diplomatic ties with Cuba is the latest foreign policy misstep by this President, and another dramatic overreach of his executive authority. It undermines America’s credibility and undermines the quest for a free and democratic Cuba.

The beneficiaries of President Obama’s ill-advised move will be the heinous Castro brothers who have oppressed the Cuban people for decades.

I am delighted that Alan Gross has been released. It will be a joy and relief for his wife and family to have him home this Hanukkah season. He is innocent and should never have been in prison in the first place, nor spent five long years there as he suffered in poor health. It is, however, unfortunate that the United States chose to release three convicted spies.

Cuba is a dictatorship with a disastrous human rights record, and now President Obama has rewarded those dictators. We should instead be fostering efforts that will truly lead to the fair, legitimate democracy that will ultimately prevail in Cuba.


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Dec 17 2014

Rubio Comments On Reports Of Change In U.S. Policy Toward Cuba, Release Of Alan Gross
Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) today issued the following statement regarding reports that President Obama is set to dramatically change U.S. policy toward Cuba following the release of Alan Gross, an American who was held hostage by the Castro regime in Cuba for five years:

“Today’s announcement initiating a dramatic change in U.S. policy toward Cuba is just the latest in a long line of failed attempts by President Obama to appease rogue regimes at all cost.

“Like all Americans, I rejoice at the fact that Alan Gross will be able to return to his family after five years in captivity. Although he is supposedly being released on humanitarian grounds, his inclusion in a swap involving intelligence agents furthers the Cuban narrative about his work in Cuba. In contrast, the Cuban Five were spies operating against our nation on American soil. They were indicted and prosecuted in a court of law for the crimes of espionage and were linked to the murder of the humanitarian pilots of Brothers to the Rescue. There should be no equivalence between the two, and Gross should have been released unconditionally.

“The President’s decision to reward the Castro regime and begin the path toward the normalization of relations with Cuba is inexplicable. Cuba’s record is clear. Just as when President Eisenhower severed diplomatic relations with Cuba, the Castro family still controls the country, the economy and all levers of power. This administration’s attempts to loosen restrictions on travel in recent years have only served to benefit the regime. While business interests seeking to line their pockets, aided by the editorial page of The New York Times, have begun a significant campaign to paper over the facts about the regime in Havana, the reality is clear. Cuba, like Syria, Iran, and Sudan, remains a state sponsor of terrorism. It continues to actively work with regimes like North Korea to illegally traffic weapons in our hemisphere in violation of several United Nations Security Council Resolutions. It colludes with America’s enemies, near and far, to threaten us and everything we hold dear. But most importantly, the regime’s brutal treatment of the Cuban people has continued unabated. Dissidents are harassed, imprisoned and even killed. Access to information is restricted and controlled by the regime. That is why even more than just putting U.S. national security at risk, President Obama is letting down the Cuban people, who still yearn to be free.

“I intend to use my role as incoming Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s Western Hemisphere subcommittee to make every effort to block this dangerous and desperate attempt by the President to burnish his legacy at the Cuban people’s expense. Appeasing the Castro brothers will only cause other tyrants from Caracas to Tehran to Pyongyang to see that they can take advantage of President Obama’s naiveté during his final two years in office. As a result, America will be less safe as a result of the President’s change in policy. When America is unwilling to advocate for individual liberty and freedom of political expression 90 miles from our shores, it represents a terrible setback for the hopes of all oppressed people around the globe.”


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Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:45 pm to
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Cuba is a dictatorship with a disastrous human rights record


As is China, Saudi Arabia and a whole host of other nations we do business with (reward them).
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:28 pm to
Good. I like how Rand makes his own stances instead of toeing the party line
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:39 pm to
If Rand gets the nomination i will take a good long look at voting for him
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:26 pm to
Me too.
Posted by ryanlsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:18 pm to
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I hope they open up travel, I've heard Cuba has some pretty spectacular beaches. Imagine the investment opportunities if free trade opened up and Americans were allowed to purchase land and open businesses. Casinos and beach resorts would make a killing.


Except citizens are the only ones allowed to buy property and that just happened 3 years ago. The Castro brothers are evil dictators who are hopefully about to die. I wish we would have waited until then to do this and there may have been some real change.

As of right now 80% of the population works for the government and makes about 20 dollars a month. People are still sent to prison for speaking out against the government. The money that Cuba does make from Canadian, European, and other tourists does not make it to the people so why would you think our dollars would.

They were going broke. They just recently cut the free education back and some other policies because they didnt have the money. They have been begging for foreign investment but have missed their goals the last five years. Why is that?

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Experts say Cuba needs to convince foreigners their investments are safe. The country has scared off investors in recent years by jailing foreign executives, attempting to seize greater control of businesses once they prove successful and letting active proposals die without offering an explanation.


And investors are scared of what the Cuban government might do if they build businesses and infrastructure and allow the Cuban government to get back on their feet again.

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A 2009 article in the Inter-American Law Review described Castro’s nationalization of US assets as the “largest uncompensated taking of American property by a foreign government in history.”


Its also a bit troubling to me that the vast majority of people who have lived in Cuba under Castro, many with family still there, supported the embargo. Some polls say up to 90%.

I think lifting the embargo was always going to happen but I just think it is the wrong time and the main reason it is getting done now is politics. Obama and the democrats are pushing hard for latino voters and to paint the republicans into a corner. Plus the whole legacy bit that every president tries about this point in their second term.
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