re: Good news for some. Pat Robertson says homosexuals will soon "die out"....

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No the problem with what you believe is you believe that someone can only be a good person if they are a Christian...which rather lives out about 3 or 4 billion people in the world.

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But that's not true; not at all.

There are "good people" who aren't Christians, and there are professing Christians who live worse lives than the most staunch Atheists.

Christianity--regardless of what certain sects might say--isn't a religion of works, meaning you don't work your way to Heaven. The good works a Christian does should be done as the result of thankfulness for salvation by the Grace of God and love for God and for other people.

Perhaps other Christians think that only Christians are "good people", but I don't. In fact, I don't even like to think of people as "good" or "bad", since everyone is capable of doing the best and worst things imaginable. But Christian's aren't any "better" than non-Christians. I'd go as far as to say that Christianity today has almost completely thrown out the law, where your typical Christian doesn't look any different from anyone else.

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Perhaps other Christians think that only Christians are "good people", but I don't. In fact, I don't even like to think of people as "good" or "bad", since everyone is capable of doing the best and worst things imaginable. But Christian's aren't any "better" than non-Christians. I'd go as far as to say that Christianity today has almost completely thrown out the law, where your typical Christian doesn't look any different from anyone else.

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Ah hell progress is being made.

Now I can't make fun of you and will be forced to have serious debates

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Christianity--regardless of what certain sects might say--isn't a religion of works, meaning you don't work your way to Heaven.

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Man you REALLY don't know the Bible. Epistle of James:

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14What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?15If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.


18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?26For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.[18]

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So Hitler's sins can be forgiven but if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you're done.

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Actually, speaking against the Holy Spirit is attributing the works of the Devil to the Holy Spirit, which is a pretty serious form of blasphemy.

And technically, yeah, Hitler could have repented and gone to Heaven, because salvation isn't based on whether or not the scales are tipped towards the good side rather than the bad side. But if it makes you feel any better, Hitler is most likely getting exactly what he deserves right now. There's no indication that he was ever repentant for the evil he performed on others, including other Christians, and he ended his life just as violently as he lived it.

Heaven is about sinners not getting what they deserve, since everyone deserves Hell for their sins.

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Mr. Foo really should read this from Matthew as well:

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Not sure you understand that one. That verse is to condemn hypocritical judgments of others when you, yourself do the very same thing that you are condemning others for.

And in case you haven't caught it, I have said that I am just as bad of a sinner as everyone else. I'm just relaying what I believe the Bible says about sinful actions.

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Awfully convenient of you to amend the Bible for your benefit

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I guess Hebrews 13:4 only talks about the missionary position.

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Perhaps if you "knew" your Bible, you would know what it means rather than what a cherry-picked passage or verse says.

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I wonder why it is that every time someone points out the utter stupidity of the bible...the counter is always..."you are cherry picking".

Seems to me the gospel is the gospel.

if all the contradictions which that particular work is filled to the brim with.

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I wonder why it is that every time someone points out the utter stupidity of the bible...the counter is always..."you are cherry picking".

Seems to me the gospel is the gospel.

if all the contradictions which that particular work is filled to the brim with.

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The Gospel is simple to understand, but people are sinful and want to bring their own sin into it for various reasons.

Humans naturally want to earn their salvation. It's only "fair", after all. It's why every religion in the world is essentially works-based; if you do this and don't do that, you will go to Heaven.

Christianity has traditionally taught something radically different. You don't have to do anything but trust in someone else (Jesus) and you will be saved. The good works should flow from your salvation, not the other way around. In essence, you aren't saved by your works, but by the works of someone else; Jesus.

So yeah, I think that passage is cherry-picked because it completely ignores all of the other verses that say something contrary to what the interpreter wants that passage to say. It's not a problem with the Bible, but the person reading it. The passage in James helps add clarity around the other verses that say you don't have to earn your salvation. People naturally say, "well I guess I can do whatever I want, then!", and James comes along and says "no, your works should prove your faith, and if you live a life full of evil works, it's probably because you don't have saving faith".

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Hitler has a better chance of seeing his thousand-year reign than Jesus does.

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boosie, even after you said this Jesus still loves you!

....but I am also pretty confident he thinks you're an arse!

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S.E.C. Crazy

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Homosexuals will die out, because during Christ's thousand year reign there will be no such perversions, so he is correct.

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I love this board.