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S. Carolina voids conviction of 14 year old accused murderer
Posted on 12/18/14 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 10:44 am
Too bad it's 70 years late and after the poor kid was murdered by the state for it.
The Greatest Generation
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A South Carolina judge on Wednesday took the unusual step of vacating the 1944 conviction of a black 14-year-old boy, the youngest person executed in the United States in the past century, saying he did not receive a fair trial in the murders of two white girls.
George Stinney Jr. was convicted by an all-white jury after a one-day trial and a 10-minute jury deliberation during a time when racial segregation prevailed in much of the United States.
Stinney died in the electric chair less than three months after the killings of Betty June Binnicker, 11, and Mary Emma Thames, 7.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 10:46 am to Big Scrub TX
the sad thing is there was doubtlessly a push made against these efforts
Posted on 12/18/14 at 10:55 am to REG861
It is unfortunate that this 14 year old was executed and also that the actual perpetrator likely got off. But this did happen 70 years ago.
We all know that this would not happen today.
We all know that this would not happen today.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 10:55 am to Big Scrub TX
"One day trial" is being generous. His trial was three hours long.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:01 am to Big Scrub TX
1) The judge only decided this on due process grounds and specifically stated this was not a ruling on the merits of the original case.
2) Don't look for this to ever go to trial since everyone associated with the case is long dead.
3) Before you start popping champagne, remember that Wilfred Rideau's conviction was tossed on similar grounds (coerced confession, all white jury) and he was guilty as Hell.
2) Don't look for this to ever go to trial since everyone associated with the case is long dead.
3) Before you start popping champagne, remember that Wilfred Rideau's conviction was tossed on similar grounds (coerced confession, all white jury) and he was guilty as Hell.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:12 am to udtiger
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1) The judge only decided this on due process grounds and specifically stated this was not a ruling on the merits of the original case. 2) Don't look for this to ever go to trial since everyone associated with the case is long dead. 3) Before you start popping champagne, remember that Wilfred Rideau's conviction was tossed on similar grounds (coerced confession, all white jury) and he was guilty as Hell.
Excellent responses. You sound very pleased by this retroactive quasi-justice for a poor kid born into a terrorist state.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:13 am to Big Scrub TX
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the poor kid was murdered by the state
Are you privy to new evidence that shows that Stinney was not guilty?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:13 am to udtiger
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1) The judge only decided this on due process grounds and specifically stated this was not a ruling on the merits of the original case.
2) Don't look for this to ever go to trial since everyone associated with the case is long dead.
3) Before you start popping champagne, remember that Wilfred Rideau's conviction was tossed on similar grounds (coerced confession, all white jury) and he was guilty as Hell.
So, in other words, no innocent blacks were ever killed during the Jim Crow era. That is what you are suggesting, correct?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:14 am to Big Scrub TX
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You sound very pleased by this retroactive quasi-justice for a poor kid born into a terrorist state.
Your bias is showing.
I have no problem with the decision in that it is correct on constitutional grounds.
However, I take issue with the automatic argument that the kid was completely innocent and was railroaded.
Might that be the case? Certainly. But, as I pointed out, that is not always the case.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:14 am to REG861
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So, in other words, no innocent blacks were ever killed during the Jim Crow era. That is what you are suggesting, correct?
Some of you act like emotional women, with comparable logical thinking ability.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:15 am to REG861
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So, in other words, no innocent blacks were ever killed during the Jim Crow era. That is what you are suggesting, correct?
Yes, that was exactly what I was saying.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:15 am to Big Scrub TX
In other news, while the judge was announcing her ruling 15 black males were killed by other black males in Chicago.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:17 am to udtiger
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Your bias is showing.
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However, I take issue with the automatic argument that the kid was completely innocent and was railroaded. Might that be the case? Certainly. But, as I pointed out, that is not always the case.
Why does it pain you so very much to simply go with the odds and say: "It's pretty likely that a 14 year old black kid in 1944 South Carolina was horribly railroaded by an evil and rotten system". My guess is because you don't really believe any of those things. Which is sad.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:17 am to weagle99
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In other news, while the judge was announcing her ruling 15 black males were killed by other black males in Chicago.
So that excuses the miscarriages of justice that resulted in innocent people being executed ?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:18 am to weagle99
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In other news, while the judge was announcing her ruling 15 black males were killed by other black males in Chicago.
In the same way that I find government sanctioned imminent domain seizure and civil forfeiture to be more offensive than a private citizen who has committed theft, I consider the prospect of government sanctioned murder to be more offensive than a private citizen who has committed murder.
I wouldn't think the concept would be that hard to grasp.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:19 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:19 am to udtiger
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However, I take issue with the automatic argument that the kid was completely innocent and was railroaded.
Might that be the case? Certainly. But, as I pointed out, that is not always the case.
It happened then, and it has happened recently. And not just with blacks. Ever heard of the West Memphis Three? Yea, they were convicted and sentenced to death/life sentences on a false confession. They had celebrities to lobby on their behalf. This poor kid didnt.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:21 am to Big Scrub TX
1. Yes, America was very bad towards blacks 70 years ago.
2. Terrible that this happened.
3. This will now be used to paint current America as more racist than it actually is.
4. This has no bearing on today's society.
2. Terrible that this happened.
3. This will now be used to paint current America as more racist than it actually is.
4. This has no bearing on today's society.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:21 am to weagle99
In all likelihood, 14 year olds don't commit sexually violent crimes
Without looking at the evidence, it's likely this kid was innocent especially considering the time and place. Also, most crimes are intra racial.
Something that happened 70 years ago in one small town however is not an indictment on America today nor does it reflect upon the ideas and values that were the foundation of this country
Also, you want to talk about atrocities in 1944...the socialist German government really takes the cake.
Without looking at the evidence, it's likely this kid was innocent especially considering the time and place. Also, most crimes are intra racial.
Something that happened 70 years ago in one small town however is not an indictment on America today nor does it reflect upon the ideas and values that were the foundation of this country
Also, you want to talk about atrocities in 1944...the socialist German government really takes the cake.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:22 am to Scruffy
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1. Yes, America was very bad towards blacks 70 years ago.
2. Terrible that this happened.
3. This will now be used to paint current America as more racist than it actually is.
4. This has no bearing on today's society.
I generally agree with all of this, which I should throw out there before I get called a SJW. It's just pitiful that people on this website have such a hard time admitting to #1 and 2.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:23 am to REG861
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So that excuses the miscarriages of justice that resulted in innocent people being executed ?
How do you know he was innocent? Again, did new evidence come to light that shows he was innocent?
I just think it is laughable when people work themselves into a frenzy over stories such as this while studiously avoiding any discussion about the real problems facing the black community today due to political correctness.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:25 am
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