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re: Is "legitimate rape" placed in quotes and considered offensive because women
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:54 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:54 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
People are wrongfully accused of every crime, not just rape. Yet we don't say "legitimate murder" or "legitimate theft". Calling it "legitimate rape" is not only redundant but just plain stupid.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:00 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
People are wrongfully accused of every crime, not just rape. Yet we don't say "legitimate murder" or "legitimate theft". Calling it "legitimate rape" is not only redundant but just plain stupid.
Maybe "legitimate rape" isn't the best term but I think it's on par with "justifiable homicide". There are too many definitions of "rape" today. Two drunk college kids could hook up after the girl initiated the situation and the guy would be guilty of rape. That is not legit.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:02 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Rather than bitching about vocab, I'd be interested in what you would call the false rape allegations which constitute 41% of total forcible rape cases.
Did you try googling, "illegitimate rape" yet?
yes, and it said it was basically garbage, i linked to it.
still waiting on your link.
either
a) you provide a link
b) you are a retard
c) you have no clue what you are talking about
I am going to go with C, but b might be true also
What terminology would you use?
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:58 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:
If there are false rapes, then there are legitimate rapes
Technically, no, there aren't. There are rapes and there are people who falsely report rape. Falsely reporting a rape does not make a rape victim any more or less legitimate. Falsely accusing someone of rape means that no rape occurred. Ergo, a false accusation NOT an illegitimate rape.
For the record, in my opinion, if it's proven that someone falsely accused someone of rape, they should be prosecuted.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:01 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Rather than bitching about vocab, I'd be interested in what you would call the false rape allegations which constitute 41% of total forcible rape cases.
What terminology would you use?
quote:
false rape allegations
And bro that study was really small.
And I would call those false rape accusations
Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:17 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:There are other studies. But addressing this """really small""" study, would you care to run the sigma numbers?
And bro that study was really small.
FORTY-ONE PERCENT (41%)!
quote:See, that is where you and I differ. I would call them a crime.
And I would call those false rape accusations
However, you'd not consider them illegitimate accusations?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:56 pm to upgrayedd
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Two drunk college kids could hook up after the girl initiated the situation and the guy would be guilty of rape. That is not legit.
Drunken regret is not rape, it's just a poor decision someone made but is trying to blame on someone else.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:01 pm to Bard
quote:
Drunken regret is not rape, it's just a poor decision someone made but is trying to blame on someone else.
So not legitimate rape.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:08 pm to the808bass
quote:According to the law, and certainly IAW college presidents, drunken regret does equal rape.
Drunken regret is not rape, it's just a poor decision someone made but is trying to blame on someone else.
So not legitimate rape.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:10 pm to NC_Tigah
Which leads to the unfortunate language usage of "legitimate rape."
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:44 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
According to the law, and certainly IAW college presidents, drunken regret does equal rape.
According to which law? Lack of consent is still the basis for determination in all 50 states, as far as I have been able to find out.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:13 pm to Bard
No it is just another assine statement by a fricking idiot to make sure my party loses 2015 election.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:16 am to TutHillTiger
quote:
No it is just another assine statement by a fricking idiot to make sure my party loses 2015 election.
Presume you meant asinine, but I have no idea as to which "party" or which "idiot" you're referencing.
To be clear, drunken regret implies two things.
(1) The individual was drunk, aka unable to consent.
(2) The individual is uncomfortable with what occurred, i.e., retrospectively claims no sober consent would have been given.
So what is our asinine legal and college campus predisposition in these instances?
What is our "rape culture" predisposition toward a male in circumstances where a sexual encounter took place, but in which the female subsequently claims to have been drunk, unable to consent, and files charges?
Guilty until proven innocent!
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 10:55 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:38 am to olgoi khorkhoi
I don't think so. Rape is terrible but even worse are people who falsify rape claims.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:41 am to NC_Tigah
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(1) The individual was drunk, aka unable to consent.
Disagree. They consented, they just regretted the consent once they sobered up.
If alcohol is considered a get-out-of-responsibility-free card for consent to drunken sex, we should make it work that way for any crime.
DUI? I was too drunk to realize I was consenting to driving a vehicle therefore I shouldn't be charged.
Murder? I was too drunk to consenting to stabbing someone 137 times so therefore I shouldn't be charged.
It's a ridiculous argument they are trying to make.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:44 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:
You're not sure what I'm implying? Holy shite.
moron
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:02 pm to Bard
quote:You mean any issue of consent, not crime. There is not question of consent associated with murder.
If alcohol is considered a get-out-of-responsibility-free card for consent to drunken sex, we should make it work that way for any crime.
Question: Is someone 'under-the-influence' actually able to provide legal consent?
It is a question whose answer forms basis of action in many "rape culture" cases.
"She was drinking," and therefore "unable to consent."
Buying that legal argument is central to the narrative.
Having bought the "consent" argument, it's only a hop-skip-and-jump from "actual" disabling intoxication, to a retrospective and/or false "claim" of intoxication.
Having admitted to sexual contact, our "rape culture" narrative leaves the male defendant having to prove a presumed "assault" was consensual, AND beyond that, prove the woman was sober enough to consent in the first place.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:05 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:The problem with the alcohol discussion is that the "rape culture" folks only see it one direction.
Question: Is someone 'under-the-influence' actually able to provide legal consent?
It is a question whose answer forms basis of action in many "rape culture" cases.
If BOTH parties are drunk, they STILL call that rape on the man's part. Um...........there's a problem with that.......
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:12 pm to ShortyRob
Forty years ago, the principal would have told your parents about the circular ring in your billfold. These days, schools hand them out.
Forty years ago, you were a pervert if you filmed yourself in a sex act. Today it's a practical legal move.
Forward!
Forty years ago, you were a pervert if you filmed yourself in a sex act. Today it's a practical legal move.
Forward!
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:23 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Oh, there are many problems!
The problem with the alcohol discussion is that the "rape culture" folks only see it one direction.
If BOTH parties are drunk, they STILL call that rape on the man's part. Um...........there's a problem with that.......
You have a life-changing accusation wielded falsely 41% of the time. Yet when it is falsely wielded, there is little or no consequence, or even the threat of consequence, to the accuser.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 4:15 pm
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