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re: Midrange Jumpers: Who is taking and making the most midrange shots
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:27 pm to MSMHater
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:27 pm to MSMHater
This is something like what you want
LINK
If you go to Shooting Stats, you can see the % of FGA by distance. The Spurs are balanced.
Here's a unique visual representation of their shot chart for their best 5
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If you go to Shooting Stats, you can see the % of FGA by distance. The Spurs are balanced.
Here's a unique visual representation of their shot chart for their best 5
LINK
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In a word: balance. Balance by player, in the sense that no one player is over-dominating on the court. Balance by space, in the sense that a) most of the court is covered, and b) most areas are uniquely attributed to a single player. In areas where this is not the case, they are the obvious/logical/opportunity-based locations, most notably the corner 3s. From a purely shot location perspective, Kawhi Leonard and Boris Diaw are possibly THE perfect compliments to the Big Three. Both avoid the midrange, and each is effective in different 3pt spots (Leonard in the corners, Diaw above the break). If the midrange game is truly dead (spoiler alert: it’s not), good luck convincing Tony Parker.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:28 pm to corndeaux
Where have I said shooting 3's is a bad thing?
All I said I think trying to eliminate the midrange jumper is faulty logic.
All I said I think trying to eliminate the midrange jumper is faulty logic.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:34 pm to RTR America
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All I said I think trying to eliminate the midrange jumper is faulty logic
I know. I never said mid range needs to be eliminated either. But not everyone has a Dirk who can carry an offense with that weapon.
Guys like Dirk and Aldridge can be focal points of successful offenses because of the shot, but the general purpose of the offense should be to leverage better shots from the threat of that ability. They can get a mid range jumper any time they want, why work to create it?
It should always be an option for a good offense, but, to me, force a defense to stop a drive or close out a 3PT shooter first. Then move on to the mid range jumper.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:48 pm to corndeaux
looks like a jackson pollock painting using bird crap
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:48 pm to corndeaux
Which is why I posted top 10 offenses having 1 or 2 guys that are in that upper echelon of midrange shooter.
Golden State has always had great shooters these past couple of seasons, but their offense was middle of the pack in the NBA. They are basically shooting the exact same # of 3's per game this season as they have in the past, but they are getting better shot and are now #6 in offensive eff.
Golden State has always had great shooters these past couple of seasons, but their offense was middle of the pack in the NBA. They are basically shooting the exact same # of 3's per game this season as they have in the past, but they are getting better shot and are now #6 in offensive eff.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 5:14 pm to corndeaux
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This is something like what you want
Thank you!
The chart makes it look like Tony is the primary one shooting from mid-range. His mid range shots are very spread out.
Timmy's elbow jumper is well represented to.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:59 am to corndeaux
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But not everyone has a Dirk who can carry an offense with that weapon.
The same thing can be said about a 3pt shooter to carry a team. I don't see a team winning with an extreme either way. You have to have the ability for both to catch the defense off guard with an open look. Open shots are the most efficient shot in basketball regardless of location.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:06 am to Scrowe
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The same thing can be said about a 3pt shooter to carry a team.
No it can't. Almost every team in the league has multiple guys who can hit 3s at league average rate (35%). Even league average from 3 is better than all but a few mid range guys. There's even some evidence that just shooting 3s (with some logical exceptions), regardless of %, opens up a defense.
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Open shots are the most efficient shot in basketball regardless of location.
True. Making a defense defend everywhere is key. The easiest way to do that is force them to defend as much space as possible.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:09 am to corndeaux
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You and Galactic Inquisitor do realize the Blazers took the 3rd most 3s in the league last year? And they had the same number of 3PA as the Rockets in their playoff series?
I have never said take less 3s. My point is that a deep 2 can be effective and has been for a long time in the NBA. Aldridge absolutely busted the Houston D with long range 2s.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:12 am to corndeaux
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I know. I never said mid range needs to be eliminated either. But not everyone has a Dirk who can carry an offense with that weapon.
We have one of those guys in AD, so I think you need to be careful not the throw out the baby with the bath water.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:32 am to RTR America
Not even Morey wants to eliminate mid-range shots. That's a misconception.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:49 am to Galactic Inquisitor
The Blazers took 161 FGA from mid range. They hit them at 41%. Aldridge took a lower % of shots from mid range that series than he did for the season
The Rockets took 66 and hit them at 45%
The Blazers hit their 3s at 36%.
The Rockets hit the same number of attempts of 3s at 31%. That's 7 less 3s made.
Houston outscored the Blazers by 1 in a series that had only one game with a margin in double digits (10 in GM 5)
The real reason they lost? Only 55% at the rim compared to 62% during the regular season. While the Blazers jumped from 60% to 65%
If you want to argue they couldn't match up with Aldridge, I agree. That forced Houston to go with Asik, Howard and that may have killed their spacing. But they didn't win because of the midrange over the 3. Or the Rockets are completely wrong, If extreme like I've said several times in this thread
I have been.
The Rockets took 66 and hit them at 45%
The Blazers hit their 3s at 36%.
The Rockets hit the same number of attempts of 3s at 31%. That's 7 less 3s made.
Houston outscored the Blazers by 1 in a series that had only one game with a margin in double digits (10 in GM 5)
The real reason they lost? Only 55% at the rim compared to 62% during the regular season. While the Blazers jumped from 60% to 65%
If you want to argue they couldn't match up with Aldridge, I agree. That forced Houston to go with Asik, Howard and that may have killed their spacing. But they didn't win because of the midrange over the 3. Or the Rockets are completely wrong, If extreme like I've said several times in this thread
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think you need to be careful not the throw out the baby with the bath water.
I have been.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:56 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Not even Morey wants to eliminate mid-range shots. That's a misconception.
Y'all shot the lowest % of them in the league last season
Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:22 pm to RTR America
I think he meant eliminate entirely.
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