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Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:45 pm to DingLeeBerry
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:45 pm to DingLeeBerry
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I am all for foreign mission work, but $30K to go to a training center in Tijuana sounds a little odd.
They're gonna wake up in a bathtub full of ice missing a kidney.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:46 pm to anc
I don't think it's an issue of them truly feeling the call. I'm afraid they're feeling so called that they aren't gathering all the facts.
They've both been to numerous short trips since high school. I have to imagine living full time is a little different than a week, though.
What are the circumstances this would happen?
They will tell you, yes we will have nothing and don't know what we will do but God will tell us.
Is there such a thing as having so much faith that you are irresponsible?
It's too late for that discussion anyway, they have nothing left.
They've both been to numerous short trips since high school. I have to imagine living full time is a little different than a week, though.
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Ask them what happens if in two years they aren't placed (Happens a lot).
What are the circumstances this would happen?
They will tell you, yes we will have nothing and don't know what we will do but God will tell us.
Is there such a thing as having so much faith that you are irresponsible?
It's too late for that discussion anyway, they have nothing left.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:48 pm to swampdawg
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If they want to prosthelytize to these "unreached" then whatever.
This is exactly what it is. This is why I just can't get it. How much $$ are you going to need to do this throughout your stay, $200,000? For what success rate? I can only imagine the good they could do around here with that.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:50 pm to CQQ
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For what success rate?
This is the problem of most mission work. How do you define success?
Because "converting lost souls" isn't likely to happen. I can get a hungry villager to say anything or listen to me talk for an hour about anything for a loaf of bread for his family.
We have to re-think mission work as the church.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:51 pm to CQQ
A guy I knew in college did mission work in South America. I can't remember which organization, but he said all they did was build a couple of one room shacks and made some water filtration systems the first couple of weeks. The rest of the time he; surfed, smoked a ton of pot, did a bunch of coke, and banged all the female volunteers. Then they send you somewhere else to do the same thing with a new group of volunteers. He loved it until he realized he needed to come back to the states and actually make money.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:54 pm to anc
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Because "converting lost souls" isn't likely to happen
Which is exactly the goal they have. I don't think they will be doing anything like building houses or providing clean water. Their goal is to learn the language with the goal to be able to translate the bible and teach it to a group that didn't have access to it before.
I feel like it's such a pipedream but I can't express that.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:54 pm to CQQ
plenty of unreached heathens on TD to try and save
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:56 pm to anc
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Because "converting lost souls" isn't likely to happen. I can get a hungry villager to say anything or listen to me talk for an hour about anything for a loaf of bread for his family
Sure, if a hundred people listen for the food, 90 may leave and go about their business. 10 may form a church, however.
That's where real missionary work is - educating and equipping locals to do the work themelves.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:00 pm to GrammarKnotsi
Bc the homeless in America still have access to food and water. Idk.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:01 pm to Master of Sinanju
But is the juice worth the squeeze?
How many people could I lift up/restore faith in if I were lending my time and money here?
If it takes 5 years to build a church in these places, plus the cost of the school, we're looking at a quarter of a million dollars.
For what, 10 people?
How many people could I lift up/restore faith in if I were lending my time and money here?
If it takes 5 years to build a church in these places, plus the cost of the school, we're looking at a quarter of a million dollars.
For what, 10 people?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:03 pm to anc
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We have to re-think mission work as the church.
Way too many young missionaries are doing it as a sponsored vacation, a way to avoid the reality of jobs, bills, life.
If you can find a like minded spouse, it is an easy way to never engage the world, you see a lot of em get the call when the mortgage is signed.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:06 pm to CQQ
So they aren't going with any skill set?
Is the church they belong to supporting this decision?
Is the church they belong to supporting this decision?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:07 pm to tigerfoot
Again, exactly what I'm afraid of. But how do you express that? I can't question that calling and basically accuse them of lying. I think they feel called but that has to play a part.
You can't ask them about retiring, etc. That's not a concern. Almost like that's a thing of this world and not important.
You can't ask them about retiring, etc. That's not a concern. Almost like that's a thing of this world and not important.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:09 pm to lsunurse
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So they aren't going with any skill set?
They are going to the training, school, whatever you call it. They have spoken at their church and raised a lot of money from the people there so I suppose they do support it.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:12 pm to CQQ
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What are the circumstances this would happen?
Very common. I'd say more than half of the people that go to such schools end up not being placed. Sometimes they get office work, sometimes they get support work.
The fact that neither went to seminary would cause me not to support them. I 'd at least inquire about their church's involvement. Their home church should be giving them at least 50% of the support they need up front, and then providing about 20% of their ongoing support. If their church gave them a few hundred bucks, its probably out of pity and their pastor doesn't have the guts to tell them they aren't equipped.
Just sounds a lot like they are trying to fill the void of not having a child. Might not make for a good Christmas dinner, but might be what needs to be said.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:14 pm to CQQ
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They are going to the training, school, whatever you call it. They have spoken at their church and raised a lot of money from the people there so I suppose they do support it.
A few families giving them money is one thing. I mean is the church taking tithe money and giving it to them?
10% of my church's tithe money goes to missions. 80% of that goes to one family that we sent to the field. The other 20% is split over about 10 other families/groups.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:15 pm to CQQ
quote:ask one of em apart from the other, one of them will be the driver. Probably the man. Whichever one has more leg hair is a pretty good indicator of who wants to detach from the world.
But how do you express that?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:22 pm to CQQ
I can't help you stewardship charity starts at home imo
Posted on 12/17/14 at 5:43 pm to CQQ
I know somebody who's doing it.
Her intentions are good and id like to think she's making the world a better place.
That said, the business guy in me is VERY skeptical of the organizations who pioneer this stuff. Her dad was telling me about how the money works for this stuff, and it all smells funny to me.
*disclaimer: I put money in a basket at a Catholic Church every week.
Her intentions are good and id like to think she's making the world a better place.
That said, the business guy in me is VERY skeptical of the organizations who pioneer this stuff. Her dad was telling me about how the money works for this stuff, and it all smells funny to me.
*disclaimer: I put money in a basket at a Catholic Church every week.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:21 pm to CQQ
I understand your perspective, but try this one out...
I grew up a Christian, and in general find the lives that "normal Christians" lead somewhat of a false situation.
Think about this, IF I believe that everyone that doesn't believe that Jesus is their Saviour, and they are going to spend eternity in Hell, shouldn't I basically make it a full time job to help them?
Or should I just go to church, play "witness" occasionally, "pray" for those folks, make LSU a priority, hunt/fish/golf/movies/television/internet/futile job for tons of hours... basically just lead a life just like I don't care that most people are going to Hell... except for giving the old college try once a month or even less?
Makes me wonder if most Christians really believe what they say do, and do they really Care if they do believe.
At least your sister is acting on her beliefs. She'll be fine. Why second guess what other people choose to do with their life? At least she has a "mission." Show her a little support if part of your mission is making her happy.
I grew up a Christian, and in general find the lives that "normal Christians" lead somewhat of a false situation.
Think about this, IF I believe that everyone that doesn't believe that Jesus is their Saviour, and they are going to spend eternity in Hell, shouldn't I basically make it a full time job to help them?
Or should I just go to church, play "witness" occasionally, "pray" for those folks, make LSU a priority, hunt/fish/golf/movies/television/internet/futile job for tons of hours... basically just lead a life just like I don't care that most people are going to Hell... except for giving the old college try once a month or even less?
Makes me wonder if most Christians really believe what they say do, and do they really Care if they do believe.
At least your sister is acting on her beliefs. She'll be fine. Why second guess what other people choose to do with their life? At least she has a "mission." Show her a little support if part of your mission is making her happy.
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