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re: Cuba embargo to be lifted
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:56 pm to KeyserSoze999
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:56 pm to KeyserSoze999
Solid move by O. The Cold War ended 25 years ago and there was nothing to be gained by continuing the status quo.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:56 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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I know who Dung Xiaopig is. The butcher who ordered the Tienanmen Square massacre. F him.
I know he was in charge of the country when that happened, but that number of people died a day of starvation when Mao was in charge. People in China largely don't starve to death these days. The only time I really saw truly starving people is from POS peddlers who crippled kids and elders to starve them so people would give them money. I never once gave them money (knowing what it was going to), but I'd always go to a local vendor and get them some food. Just wish the Chinese would execute the men that did that shite, but haven't heard of it, even though the same starving people were staked out at the same place at the same time every week.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:09 pm to EmperorGout
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Solid move by O. The Cold War ended 25 years ago and there was nothing to be gained by continuing the status quo.
That must be why they were caught shipping aircraft parts to N. Korea, a nation that is under embargo.
The Cubans have also been talking about re-opening a site the USSR used to use to eavesdrop on the US.
Most of you guys sound pretty young. So, that might explain things.
The US got absolutely nothing out of this. Do you think the Cubans are going to stop letting Russia, Venezuela, Ecuador or Iran from using its location to cause problems for us?
ETA>>>> We also released men who were directly responsible for the deaths of American citizens.
These Cuban spies fed info to their bosses in Havana about when these Americans would be flying over international waters looking for Cubans refugees on rafts. Those Americans were shot down over international waters.
Obama let them go.
The Russians are on the ropes because of the drop in the price of oil, and Obama gives the Cubans everything they want.
The Cubans will control info access just as the Chinese do. They will continue to crush political dissent, and they will continue to cause problems for us.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:19 pm to redandright
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The US got absolutely nothing out of this.
That's my one problem with this. If we'd gotten something--anything--in return, I'd be all for it.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:20 pm to Bestbank Tiger
This has been drilled into Obama's head since he was a kid.
The US is the bad guy beating up on poor little Cuba.
He's always planned on doing this.
There'll be more like this sort of thing for the next two years.
The US is the bad guy beating up on poor little Cuba.
He's always planned on doing this.
There'll be more like this sort of thing for the next two years.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:22 pm to redandright
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The US got absolutely nothing out of this.
Yep. It's another Bergdahl-type swap. We gave away more than we got. Only difference is we got a traitor last time.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:23 pm to redandright
If Cuba gives us nothing for these concessions, Congress is not obligated to lift the embargo.
The Cuban President himself today admitted that Obama's actions did not and cannot end the embargo.
Here's what the Cuban President said today at noon, Eastern Time:
"The economic, financial and commercial blockade, which has caused severe human and economic damage to our country, should be lifted. Although the blockade measures have been turned into law, the U.S. president can modify their application, using his executive powers."
OP should edit the title of the thread, because it is misleading.
The Cuban President himself today admitted that Obama's actions did not and cannot end the embargo.
Here's what the Cuban President said today at noon, Eastern Time:
"The economic, financial and commercial blockade, which has caused severe human and economic damage to our country, should be lifted. Although the blockade measures have been turned into law, the U.S. president can modify their application, using his executive powers."
OP should edit the title of the thread, because it is misleading.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:26 pm to Champagne
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If Cuba gives us nothing for these concessions, Congress is not obligated to lift the embargo.
The Cuban President himself today admitted that Obama's actions did not and cannot end the embargo.
Congress should demand that we get something in return and block this action until we receive some concession, even if it's only symbolic. That way we don't project weakness and we don't reward a dictatorship for digging in its heels and refusing to change.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:27 pm to EmperorGout
Absolutely waste of political capital.
Foreign policy, fiscal policy, trade issues, and so on
O blew a wad on Cuba? This guy supposed to be smart? I think he is just giving up and pushing all the crap he can down his last 2 years.
Foreign policy, fiscal policy, trade issues, and so on
O blew a wad on Cuba? This guy supposed to be smart? I think he is just giving up and pushing all the crap he can down his last 2 years.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:28 pm to Champagne
He's already shown what he can do with his pen and his phone.
What gets me is that people on this board don't seem to consider the geo-political implications of this whole move.
Cuba has been a staging ground for many of our enemies for more than 50 years. They are giving up absolutely nothing in this deal.
They'll get more US currency, they'll get US businesses vested into their economy, where they'll put the heat on Congress to let up on Cuba, that sort of thing.
Suggest you guys look at Rubio's press conference today. He lays it all out.
What gets me is that people on this board don't seem to consider the geo-political implications of this whole move.
Cuba has been a staging ground for many of our enemies for more than 50 years. They are giving up absolutely nothing in this deal.
They'll get more US currency, they'll get US businesses vested into their economy, where they'll put the heat on Congress to let up on Cuba, that sort of thing.
Suggest you guys look at Rubio's press conference today. He lays it all out.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:29 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
This part of his political DNA.
It's another blow against US Imperialism. (In his eyes).
It's another blow against US Imperialism. (In his eyes).
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:37 pm to redandright
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Most of you guys sound pretty young. So, that might explain things.
You sound pretty old and delusional. So, that may explain things.
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The US got absolutely nothing out of this. Do you think the Cubans are going to stop letting Russia, Venezuela, Ecuador or Iran from using its location to cause problems for us?
Only one of those countries scare me (the obvious one), and the others who gives a shite about. Venezuela is merely Cloud Cuckooland. Iran is ridiculously overrated and really one of the more progressive countries in the ME. They really don't give that much of a frick about us compared to several other countries in that area, most of which I'd say are bigger threats to the free world than Iran is. All we did is eliminate their big rival in Iraq. And Ecuador....
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The Cubans will control info access just as the Chinese do. They will continue to crush political dissent, and they will continue to cause problems for us.
Oh yeah, because continuing war with China was obviously the way to go. frick our international relations with them! They've fricked us over a few times! Let's nuke Beijing, Shanghai, and Hong Kong! That will show them! How dare we bring Cuba into the modern world and forge an alliance that will make both countries stronger as a whole!
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:45 pm to OMLandshark
I'm a little late to this, but politics or not, I'm glad to see this. It seem counter to the values of our country and free market system to artificially restrict the system. Less government control over us is good by me.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:45 pm to redandright
quote:These American citizens were flying into Cuban airspace on illegal missions. If the US shot down a Cuban plane doing the same thing it wouldn't even be a thing. Besides, the Cuban groups in Florida, as well as the US Government were actively involved in assassination attempts, terrorist attacks, and general efforts to overthrow the Cuban government.
ETA>>>> We also released men who were directly responsible for the deaths of American citizens.
These Cuban spies fed info to their bosses in Havana about when these Americans would be flying over international waters looking for Cubans refugees on rafts. Those Americans were shot down over international waters.
Obama let them go.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:47 pm to redandright
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What gets me is that people on this board don't seem to consider the geo-political implications of this whole move.
I'm considering it, and it's all positive. Aside from North Korea, we don't have a trade embargo with a single other nation, and it all comes from an incident before 2/3rds of the country was born. Honestly, I'd cut off trade with Pakistan before Cuba. Cuba is the fourth closest country to our borders (excluding Russia and Alaska). There is massive economic benefits for both countries in this deal. Only delusional wackjobs who see communists trying to destroy American society behind every corner think this is a bad idea.
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Cuba has been a staging ground for many of our enemies for more than 50 years. They are giving up absolutely nothing in this deal.
I can't think of anything the US is giving up either. Investing in China, that was a horrible decision!
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They'll get more US currency, they'll get US businesses vested into their economy, where they'll put the heat on Congress to let up on Cuba, that sort of thing.
You say this like this is a bad thing. This is a good thing for sure.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:51 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
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O blew a wad on Cuba? This guy supposed to be smart?
You typed that and then asked if someone was smart? wowPosted on 12/17/14 at 8:52 pm to mmcgrath
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These American citizens were flying into Cuban airspace on illegal missions. If the US shot down a Cuban plane doing the same thing it wouldn't even be a thing. Besides, the Cuban groups in Florida, as well as the US Government were actively involved in assassination attempts, terrorist attacks, and general efforts to overthrow the Cuban government.
Stop with that nonsense! War, Baby, War! frick uniting the globe into a global economy to where people are highly unlikely to bomb and frick with their investors! Please, let's not contemplate that we are pretty much in the single most peaceful time in world history! Let's let old animosities from the 60s hold us back from being united as a species! Let's launch some nukes at the cigar rollers while we're at it! Bomb, Bomb, Bomb!
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:01 pm to redandright
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The US got absolutely nothing out of this. Do you think the Cubans are going to stop letting Russia, Venezuela, Ecuador or Iran from using its location to cause problems for us?
Oh what the frick are you even talking about
Let me dumb it down a shade: both of the Castros will most likely be dead within 5 years. We will be Walmarting the frick out of that island within a decade.
I thought conservatives at least understood the common good of market access
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:04 pm to EmperorGout
I know it's shocking to most bible thumping conservative tards that we're no longer in 1959.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:07 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Their worst nightmare. No they have to actually see the consequences of their actions.
we're no longer in 1959
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 9:08 pm
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