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re: Cuba embargo to be lifted
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:34 pm to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:34 pm to Jagd Tiger
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so sugar cane, tobacco and coffee aren't bad for you after all? Can you leftwing nutjobs ever be consistent on anything?
Uh, I'm a conservative, I'm just not clinically insane.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:39 pm to goatmilker
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Are you for the embargo of China?
I would absolutely support a labor embargo against China. Mass migrations of jobs from America has hurt us and helped them.
But then, they changed their policies and aren't really a communist country anymore, unless you live outside of the cities. Their system was failing on it's own because if the massive demands of its population
The only reason the embargo failed to supplant their government is because they had big brother nations keeping them afloat, along with their equatorial climate which allows for year round agricultural production. Those big brother resources were drying up of late, so Obama bailed them out.
And why was the embargo a failure? What did it cost us? Cigars? Their whole argument from the beginning is ridiculously contradictory. Basically, "communism is great, but we can't prosper because the evil capitalist USA won't let us suck their tit."
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:41 pm to UL-SabanRival
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And why was the embargo a failure? What did it cost us? Cigars? Their whole argument from the beginning is ridiculously contradictory. Basically, "communism is great, but we can't prosper because the evil capitalist USA won't let us suck their tit."
It just didn't do anything. We have no relationship with a close neighbor. At best, it was a wash for us. It was damaging for their people.
I'm interested in anyone's support for the embargo, I just don't see it.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:42 pm to Pettifogger
When a policy hasn't worked in 55 years, it probably should be tweaked.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:45 pm to Vegas Bengal
So, I dont want to read 10 pages. Someone just tell me how this is another horrible move by the Ofrickma administration and I'll be on my way.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:45 pm to UL-SabanRival
quote:Wow
I would absolutely support a labor embargo against China. Mass migrations of jobs from America has hurt us and helped them
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:48 pm to Pettifogger
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Cutting off a potential trade partner for an ideological reason that expired 30 years ago?
I see. So you would support the flooding of the sugar market in this country for the benefit of no one but the Cuban government, at huge cost to the state of Louisiana.
Why did the ideological reason expire thirty years ago? I'm not following you on that one.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:48 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
Uh, I'm a conservative,
you are also a complete moron, but then we already knew that, so you can't seem to find a reason why trade with Cuba is actually a "good thing" for the USA,,, got it, thanks, admission that you're a failed pile of turds accepted.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:50 pm to AUbused
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So, I dont want to read 10 pages. Someone just tell me how this is another horrible move by the Ofrickma administration and I'll be on my way.
Pretty much NOBODY said anything of the sort, but don't let that destroy your narrative, bro.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:52 pm to Pettifogger
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I'm interested in anyone's support for the embargo, I just don't see it.
Again, Louisiana and others produce sugar. Florida and others produce citrus. The embargo was at least helping our own industries in that regard. It worked to keep the Cuban standard of living down. It's not our fault that they were too beaten down or drunk to resist.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:52 pm to Jagd Tiger
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you are also a complete moron, but then we already knew that, so you can't seem to find a reason why trade with Cuba is actually a "good thing" for the USA,,, got it, thanks, admission that you're a failed pile of turds accepted.
Stupid people not knowing they're stupid is one of my favorite things.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:54 pm to Meauxjeaux
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I expect an explosion of growth in Cuba - and Cubans will benefit.
This was the whole problem that led to a communist takeover in Cuba. There was an explosion of growth in Cuba. Some people benefitted. The majority of Cubans did not and were having their country sold out from under them to US corporations.
I hope and suspect that things will be a bit more measured this time around.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:55 pm to UL-SabanRival
It'll still be financially advantageous to purchase domestic produce in most circumstances. Moreover, we would hypothetically reap the benefit of our own trade with Cuba.
Economic protectionism is never an argument I find much favor for, although I understand LA or FL's concerns.
Economic protectionism is never an argument I find much favor for, although I understand LA or FL's concerns.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:09 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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This was the whole problem that led to a communist takeover in Cuba. There was an explosion of growth in Cuba. Some people benefitted. The majority of Cubans did not and were having their country sold out from under them to US corporations.
No. Their growth was very rapid and was beginning to trickle down, as it does in a normal economy. Che and his murdering idiots moved in during the fog of transition, citing the newly rich as being overlord puppets of America.
And now, their much smaller and stagnant economy actually is ruled by a handful of overlords, with no chance for self determination among the people you seem to love so much.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:14 pm to UL-SabanRival
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Why, specifically, is this a good policy?
Trade
Cigars
Vacations
And simply stimulating the Cuban economy, which I'm fine with doing. I'm for sure going to be visiting sometime soon.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:14 pm to Pettifogger
Its silly that some here think if your for lifting the embargo your a lib.
Its the power of capitalism that I believe will help end the regime in Cuba.
The counter argument seems to be prove it.
Well remove the embargo and lets find out.
I also have no doubt this is a calculated political move.
Its the power of capitalism that I believe will help end the regime in Cuba.
The counter argument seems to be prove it.
Well remove the embargo and lets find out.
I also have no doubt this is a calculated political move.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:15 pm to Pettifogger
The overall prices will go down. Great for the consumer, not so much for the producers, the employees of whose industries will then have less or nothing with school to re-contribute to the overall economy.
And again, the average Cuban won't even notice.
I can speak to the LA sugar producers I know. They have dreaded this possibility for decades, and for a state whose economy that has little else to fuel it other than oil, the shrinking of our traditional agricultural industries will not be a positive in any way, especially in light of the falling price of oil.
And again, the average Cuban won't even notice.
I can speak to the LA sugar producers I know. They have dreaded this possibility for decades, and for a state whose economy that has little else to fuel it other than oil, the shrinking of our traditional agricultural industries will not be a positive in any way, especially in light of the falling price of oil.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:16 pm to UL-SabanRival
So keep an obsolete trade embargo against a non-threatening country because you're afraid the sugar and citrus market will be affected? 
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:17 pm to JuiceTerry
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So keep an obsolete trade embargo against a non-threatening country because you're afraid the sugar and citrus market will be affected?
Yeah, his motives don't seem to be 100% selfish at all.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:18 pm to JuiceTerry
Viva protectionism!
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