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Finished watching Breaking Bad for 2nd time ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:27 pm
Can't imagine anyone who wants to see this show hasn't by now watched it through. Going to be safe with the title nonetheless.
Honestly, the show is even better watching it through a second time. Gilligan's attention to little details is incredible.
I do have 1 bit of disappointment after watching it through again: the finale. It was way, way, way too buttoned up. There's just no way that everything would fall in to place the way it did.
My biggest problems were the poisoning of the Stevia and the acquiring of not only the M60, but the hardware/electronics used for the trunk setup.
Also find it amazing he was able to get to his wife with out anyone seeing him.
It should have gone down darker, sloppier, and more realistically.
Honestly, the show is even better watching it through a second time. Gilligan's attention to little details is incredible.
I do have 1 bit of disappointment after watching it through again: the finale. It was way, way, way too buttoned up. There's just no way that everything would fall in to place the way it did.
My biggest problems were the poisoning of the Stevia and the acquiring of not only the M60, but the hardware/electronics used for the trunk setup.
Also find it amazing he was able to get to his wife with out anyone seeing him.
It should have gone down darker, sloppier, and more realistically.
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:50 pm to okietiger
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It was way, way, way too buttoned up.
Probably. The gun in the trunk actually being able to hit everybody was probably a stretch. That would be my biggest problem. It wasn't exactly an airtight plan.
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the poisoning of the Stevia and the acquiring of not only the M60, but the hardware/electronics used for the trunk setup.
I don't really have much problem with this. Maybe the Stevia because Lidia might have skipped out on having her tea after running into Walt. All the hardware and electronics could just be purchased from your basic hardware store though right?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:17 pm to Peazey
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the poisoning of the Stevia
that and its been proven that ricin that is heated up to "hot tea" temperatures would be rendered harmless.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:28 pm to rondo
Ah, that's right. I forgot that. I just looked up ricin on the CDC website, and it claimes that it is deactivated at 176 degrees f.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:40 pm to okietiger
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I do have 1 bit of disappointment after watching it through again: the finale. It was way, way, way too buttoned up. There's just no way that everything would fall in to place the way it did.
They do kind of set this up though with the cold open when the car keys fall into his lap and the snow falls away from the window. The universe sort of ordains Walt's final mission of purging ABQ. It felt like the show was telling us what to expect.
It's true that the show up to that point eschewed exactly that sort of convenience, but I took that teaser as kind of an acknowledgment that they were going to deliver something straightforward for the finale. Breaking Bad always had some of the best twists and surprises, but should they really have been trying to pull one of those for the final hour for the sake of defying expectations? Your mileage may vary.
Also, as much as people complain that things work out too well for Walt, it's still a very dark ending. Skyler is still pretty ruined, "Flynn" will grow up despising his father and believing he murdered his uncle, Holly could very well grow up similarly, Marie is a widow, the Schwartz's will unjustly live in terror for the rest of their lives, and Walt's legacy is as a drug lord who dies in the squalorous den of a Neo Nazi gang.
I think the reason the finale is so fun to watch, at least the first time, is that for all we know Walt was going to murder the Schwartz's when he's stalking about their house like a slasher villain. When he doesn't, it's a huge relief, and for the rest of the show we can focus on the satisfaction of watching Walt deliver just desserts to Todd, Lydia, Jack and the rest of those bastards. But there's no cop-out. Walt doesn't find redemption in my view so much as he's allowed a measure of piece for finally being honest. It's not like he was able to fix what he destroyed.
The only real problem I have with the finale is the way they handle Jesse, but I can forgive that since they nailed his final interaction with Walt, which was the important thing.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:47 pm to rondo
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that and its been proven that ricin that is heated up to "hot tea" temperatures would be rendered harmless.
You also can't make meth like Walt does. Is this really an issue?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:50 pm to LNCHBOX
Plus, who's to say that her tea was at least 176 degrees? She gets it at the beginning of the scene and adds the Stevia at the end.
But yeah, the science is always bent to the show's purposes. Like when Walt synthesizes the special brand of fulminated mercury that can destroy the floor of a building without injuring anybody while at the same time being stable enough to survive the scene until the moment it's needed.
But yeah, the science is always bent to the show's purposes. Like when Walt synthesizes the special brand of fulminated mercury that can destroy the floor of a building without injuring anybody while at the same time being stable enough to survive the scene until the moment it's needed.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:56 pm to okietiger
I always wanted the show to end with Walt going to jail for life then only to find out he was misdiagnosed.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:17 pm to lsucoonass
I actually watched the last two episode last night because I've had them on my DVR for almost a year now.
One thing that stood out to me watching them again was similar to what someone mentioned in a thread last week (I think) about BB...the "bad guys" in S5 (Todd and Uncle Jack's crew) were SUCH a step down from Gus in previous seasons that it felt sort of thrown-together at times. I hated that working with these assholes is what Walt had stooped to. But I guess it works within the framework of the show's arc in that he starts out low, makes it to the high of cooking in the custom lab for Gus, and this was his slide down the other side of the hill. So it doesn't bother me, but S5 definitely suffered a bit because of the Todd/Uncle Jack/Lydia storyline IMO.
One thing that stood out to me watching them again was similar to what someone mentioned in a thread last week (I think) about BB...the "bad guys" in S5 (Todd and Uncle Jack's crew) were SUCH a step down from Gus in previous seasons that it felt sort of thrown-together at times. I hated that working with these assholes is what Walt had stooped to. But I guess it works within the framework of the show's arc in that he starts out low, makes it to the high of cooking in the custom lab for Gus, and this was his slide down the other side of the hill. So it doesn't bother me, but S5 definitely suffered a bit because of the Todd/Uncle Jack/Lydia storyline IMO.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:53 pm to Udvarnoky
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Also, as much as people complain that things work out too well for Walt, it's still a very dark ending. Skyler is still pretty ruined, "Flynn" will grow up despising his father and believing he murdered his uncle, Holly could very well grow up similarly, Marie is a widow, the Schwartz's will unjustly live in terror for the rest of their lives, and Walt's legacy is as a drug lord who dies in the squalorous den of a Neo Nazi gang.
Agreed, and not to mention the fact that Jesse is an absolute mess of a human being who will almost undoubtedly relapse and suffer from horrendous PTSD. Walt pretty much ruined the lives of everyone close to him, and he's the only one who doesn't have to be around to live with those consequences (well, he and Hank).
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:01 pm to okietiger
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I do have 1 bit of disappointment after watching it through again: the finale. It was way, way, way too buttoned up. There's just no way that everything would fall in to place the way it did. My biggest problems were the poisoning of the Stevia and the acquiring of not only the M60, but the hardware/electronics used for the trunk setup. Also find it amazing he was able to get to his wife with out anyone seeing him. It should have gone down darker, sloppier, and more realistically.
I would add:
the half-face post-bombed Gus. Just utterly ridiculous
the train heist
and perhaps the most ridiculous of all was the computer magnet scene
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:11 pm to CocomoLSU
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One thing that stood out to me watching them again was similar to what someone mentioned in a thread last week (I think) about BB...the "bad guys" in S5 (Todd and Uncle Jack's crew) were SUCH a step down from Gus in previous seasons that it felt sort of thrown-together at times. I hated that working with these a-holes is what Walt had stooped to. But I guess it works within the framework of the show's arc in that he starts out low, makes it to the high of cooking in the custom lab for Gus, and this was his slide down the other side of the hill. So it doesn't bother me, but S5 definitely suffered a bit because of the Todd/Uncle Jack/Lydia storyline IMO.
A defense of this very issue.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:26 pm to Feral
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Agreed, and not to mention the fact that Jesse is an absolute mess of a human being who will almost undoubtedly relapse and suffer from horrendous PTSD. Walt pretty much ruined the lives of everyone close to him,
I have no sympathy for Jesse. Crazy Eight and Emilio would have murdered him in episode one if Walt wasn't there. He also could have let go of his beef with the kid killing gangsters and they wouldn't have had the falling out with Gus.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:32 pm to nes2010
Agreed - Jesse is almost more of a self-destructive character than Walt is, and he had more chances than anyone to get out (with his money to boot!). He could've gotten in the van and gone to a new identity and life but walked out on it.
None of the adults deserve sympathy, but Jesse is at the front of the line of people least deserving, despite the writers' attempt to draw him as the show's moral character.
None of the adults deserve sympathy, but Jesse is at the front of the line of people least deserving, despite the writers' attempt to draw him as the show's moral character.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:35 pm to Big Scrub TX
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the half-face post-bombed Gus. Just utterly ridiculous
the train heist
and perhaps the most ridiculous of all was the computer magnet scene
It was all magical realism though.
The show was never meant to be completely realistic. I mean, Walt making a makeshift bomb and throwing it on the floor, blasting out an entire floor of a building and walking away unscathed?
This was a show about a legend. The setting was ripe for legends, and with mythical characters and mythical stories comes mythical elements.
It's why I liked the ending. People don't want a 10 o'clock news recap for their tales.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 4:11 pm to StringedInstruments
the show was perfection
Posted on 12/16/14 at 4:17 pm to okietiger
If I started it again it would probably be my 50th time to watch the series.
Walter was always meant for more. The pieces fell as they did because they were alkways supposed to.
That bar, that night that man..drinking a beer with him.
Walter was always meant for more. The pieces fell as they did because they were alkways supposed to.
That bar, that night that man..drinking a beer with him.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:22 pm to SEClint
Been some really, really good points made in this thread.
to you all
to you all Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:39 pm to okietiger
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I do have 1 bit of disappointment after watching it through again: the finale. It was way, way, way too buttoned up. There's just no way that everything would fall in to place the way it did.
I felt the same. I didn't like how season 5 started with MAdrigal as maybe a bigger player (guy electrocutes himself in bathroom while german police is knocking on the door) and ended with Lydia getting poisoned. I can remember (as I watched week to week) thinking that Madrigal would want some revenge on Walt (setting up a Madrigal vs Walt showdown). It's like they were going to make MAdrigal a huge part but decided against it and went with the neo nazis.
The neo Nazis were never convincing to me as villains.
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Also find it amazing he was able to get to his wife with out anyone seeing him.
Some time had pass and the White family weren't being watched as dilligently. But still there were sightings, Marie calls Skyler to warn her that he was back in town.
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It should have gone down darker, sloppier, and more realistically.
I agree. This is my favorite show of all time. I've watched it numerous times. A fitting end would be a shot of a reconstituted cartel reclaiming their territory.
I actually think that Season 5 would have been better with the Cartel slowly coming back to power and clashing with a dying Walt.
So many great characters and great writing. I think they left some good stories on the table (maybe we see some of this in Better Call Saul).
Posted on 12/16/14 at 6:27 pm to okietiger
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I do have 1 bit of disappointment after watching it through again: the finale. It was way, way, way too buttoned up. There's just no way that everything would fall in to place the way it did.
Been saying this since it aired
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