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re: 15,000 germans march in Dresden against Islamisation of their country

Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:10 am to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:10 am to
The problem with radical Islam isn't their lack of shared values and backgrounds, it is their willingness to take those disagreements to the level of violence and their desire to implement Islamic rule.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:11 am to
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I think so. I've found a lot of cultures have little problem assimilating, mainly due to ethics and values. Others (like native American) struggle to assimilate because the things they value are so much different than what we value, and they struggle in the workplace.

Certain values are required in our business climate to be successful.


Plenty of people in those groups are willing/able to subordinate to the dominant business climate (even if they disagree with it) if for no other reason than to be successful and make their personal live easier.

To your example, native americans who struggle to assimilate do so primarily because they're holding onto a lifestyle that's no longer viable. But even then, it's not a fair generalization to make, especially because Western culture promoted the stunting/isolation of their culture for so long.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:11 am to
And the lack of bathing.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:14 am to
Also, if you're talking about succeeding in the business world, that's a slightly different kettle of fish than just co-existing in a multicultural environment. People struggle in business or are successful for a variety of reasons--culture is just one variable, and it's not necessarily determinant.

The bottom line is that folks can be diametrically opposed to each other on a ton of issues, yet peacefully coexist because they're not willing to resort to discrimination or harm in order to impose their views on others. When a particular party breaches said peace for whatever reason, that is when problems arise.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259898 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:17 am to
Sweden is a good example
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“Swedish people don’t feel at home any more,” he said. “The problem we have is basically with the Muslims. They have difficulty assimilating, so much of their culture is based on Islam.” Nilsson acknowledged – but had no explanation for – the fact that the vote for his party is higher in isolated, rural areas, where there are fewer immigrants.

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“A common explanation given in Sweden is that the riots are due to social exclusion, and that the correct measure is to aim more public funding to the parts of Sweden where riots are occurring,” he explained.

“But in fact, Sweden has a massive welfare system, aimed at the same segments at society – and it is even partially to blame since so much welfare dependency has been created,” Sanandaji said.

There is, of course, a strong link between poverty and the riots, he continued.

“But one has to understand the concept of poverty in modern societies, where every citizen is granted publicly funded health care, schooling, higher education as well as various financial supports. Why does poverty remain in such a society?

“The answer, formulated well by Nobel laureate Robert Fogel, is that much of modern poverty is spiritual, or social if you will,” Sanandaji continued.

“If you grow up in an environment where most adults are supported by welfare rather than work, in a system where high taxes and rigid labor regulations hinder entrance in the labor market and where much of the reward for success through hard work is taxed away, you are likely to have weak working norms,” he added.

Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:18 am to
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Muslims are to Germany what Cajuns are to Louisiana.
holy shite
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:19 am to
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And the lack of bathing.


The goats don't complain
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36399 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:26 am to
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It's not that Turks aren't assimilating...it's that there is no unified stereotype of a German to find comfort in.


Uh what? It doesn't matter what European country it is. The Turks/Arabs/assorted middle eastern riff-raff cant - or won't- assimilate to the very countries they mass immigrate into.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15648 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:40 am to
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One group, knocking back bottles of the local beer, talked openly of their fears of what they call “fecal jihad”.


I've gotta remember that one.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15648 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:44 am to
And while I don't approve of the ones making racist remarks, good for the rest of them for taking a stand. It's about time someone in Europe did.

This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 12:45 am
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:57 am to
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Europe is fricked if they don't get this problem under control. At the rate things are going, there will be more Muslims than non-Muslims in Europe by 2050.

They are going to eventually be forced to defend their respective homelands, and it may very well come to violence.

Thanks to NATO and the EU this is the longest Europe's ever gone without a major war. What you're talking about will be the next major European war.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
72867 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:15 am to
It all boils down to religion. Its the most toxic and divisive human creation ever. Divides people, families etc.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29407 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 3:29 am to
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“If you grow up in an environment where most adults are supported by welfare rather than work, in a system where high taxes and rigid labor regulations hinder entrance in the labor market and where much of the reward for success through hard work is taxed away, you are likely to have weak working norms,” he added.


Sounds like a similar problem we have in the US with a certain demographic.
Posted by tigernchicago
Alabama
Member since Sep 2003
5075 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:22 am to
Good for Germany.
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:36 am to
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I really, really don't understand why so many of these Muslims come to Western countries when they have no intent to assimilate and resent everything the countries stand for.




You really can't see what's happening? It's just another form of Jihad where they are planning to "outpopulate" countries and use the Democratic process against itself to install Sharia Law. And, make no mistake about it, the end goal is death to all infidels. But, these are the Muslims the mainstream media swears to us are the "peace loving" Muslims.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 5:41 am
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112553 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:38 am to
Going to be interesting in 20 years when these tolerant Euro liberals are staring down the barrel of sharia law and turning into a barbaric middle eastern esque shite hole.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 6:25 am to
It would be interesting, fascinating, and a little scary to see Germany get ramped back up. And more than a little funny to see them expel the disgusting cockroaches
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:23 am to
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Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51239 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:36 am to
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Going to be interesting in 20 years when these tolerant Euro liberals are staring down the barrel of sharia law and turning into a barbaric middle eastern esque shite hole.


lol, that is not going to happen.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34866 posts
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:53 am to
"Rescue"...hell, looks like the US has it's own multi-cultural challenge. Burgeoning populations/sub-cultures that are virtually rejecting the Constitutional Rule of Law and challenging the Authority (Police) that enforces said Law.

Not to mention the open border effects, in relation to an exponentially-increasing National Debt.

The essence of Islamic Ideology is coerced expansion of free societies, in service to the imposition of a World Caliphate. They will use Democratic mechanisms to change Cultural principles...just like the Progressive (social justice) Marxists do. And the duped Libs will open the Treasury and subsidize the growth of BOTH of these pernicious and societally-suicidal Ideologies.

Note that the Progressives support Islam; the enemy of my enemy (Constitutional Freedom, Economic and Religious) is my friend. At least until the enemy is brought down.

We are destined for a Far-Right Authoritarian Government...per the Egyptian scenario; Germany and England are 'canaries in the coal mine', they'll be forced to go rogue first. At least until and after a re-establishment of Constitutional Values/Principles.

Gonna get interesting pretty quick. Especially when Iran gets their nuke, and gets cocky. The Jews will kick it off.
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