- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: .
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:41 am to GeeOH
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:41 am to GeeOH
quote:
Kind of relevant that he's from Iran and demanded an ISIS flag, don't you think?
Yes, it is VERY relevant. Mostly because that almost guarantees the guy is just BSC. Iranians are among the least likely people in the world to sympathize with ISIS. The fact that nobody caught my sarcasm throughout all my posts, and completely ignored the fact that the guy in the story is about 99% guaranteed to be a Shi'a muslim is completely lost on the throngs of people fantasizing about an ISIS attack at a restaurant in Australia.
ETA: The flag shown in the pictures I have seen IS NOT AN ISIS FLAG.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 11:44 am
2
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:44 am to MrCarton
quote:
guy just insane or is he an ISIS affiliate working towards some greater objective?
The greater objective of terrorists is terror. There's not a strategic "if we bomb in Thailand on Tuesday, we can kidnap in Portugal on Friday!"
And you can be both insane and a terrorist. The danger of radical ideologies is that there are millions of hair-trigger, imbalanced people ready to be mobilized for the sake of a cause.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:48 am to MrCarton
quote:
flag shown in the pictures I have seen IS NOT AN ISIS FLAG
Why don't you just link up where you're getting your talking points. I'm sure it's much better reading than your attempts to regurgitate it.
The "Black standard" is a common icon of Jihadists. It features the Shahada in white on a black background.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:51 am to MrCarton
quote:
Mostly because that almost guarantees the guy is just BSC
Bi-Sexual Contrarian?
well a lot of Iranians seem to be gay and many leave their homeland so they won't be stoned to death, so there is that.. yea.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:53 am to USMCTiger03
quote:
What do you call someone who hacks off someone's head with zero threat or provocation?
Muslim.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:54 am to the808bass
quote:
The greater objective of terrorists is terror. There's not a strategic "if we bomb in Thailand on Tuesday, we can kidnap in Portugal on Friday!"
Im sorry but that isnt true. Terrorism: the use of violence or intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
Thats the definition most people "in the know" operate on. Which is important because it distinguishes between the crazies and the calculating. A distinction that is important for a lot of reasons.
Our problem is that we distort reality by changing the definition of terrorism so that we can take stories like these and cram them into our nice neat little narratives.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:01 pm to MrCarton
quote:
The flag in the article is not an ISIS flag. Perhaps he did demand one. Perhaps he just demanded a flag of the shihada. Maybe he is claiming to be ISIS, maybe he is just fricking crazy.
All the evidence thus far is that this IRANIAN is just crazy and not an "ISIS" operative.
I have no idea if he is or not, but he damned sure wanted to be one. Which could be considered crazy ;)
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:08 pm to Bard
quote:
I have no idea if he is or not, but he damned sure wanted to be one. Which could be considered crazy ;)
Yeah he is/was obviously crazy and obviously dangerous.
Article on the gunman.
quote:
One terrorism expert said the situation appeared to be that of a "lone wolf" making his own demands, rather than an attack orchestrated by a foreign jihadist group.
quote:
"There haven't been statements from overseas linking this to extremist groups outside the country — that is quite positive," said Charles Knight, lecturer in the Department of Policing, Intelligence and Counter Terrorism at Australia's Macquarie University. "The individual or individuals involved didn't kill early, which is part of the pattern of some recent international attacks. ... It seems to be shifting more into the model of a traditional hostage situation, rather than the sort of brutal attacks we've seen overseas."
quote:
This is a one-off random individual. It's not a concerted terrorism event or act. It's a damaged goods individual who's done something outrageous," his former lawyer, Manny Conditsis, told Australian Broadcasting Corp.
"His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness," Conditsis said.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:45 pm to MrCarton
Isis's objective is for all these lone wolf's to do exactly this...create terror on an non Muslims....
Say someone is crazy or insane is pointless. He was doing what they want guys like him to do. There are no "sane" ISIS members by our standards. They are all BSC which is precisely why their ideals work!
It's laughable that some people can't grasp how differently they think.......THEY WANT ALL NON MUSLIMS DEAD OR LIVING IN FEAR WHILE ALIVE.
Say someone is crazy or insane is pointless. He was doing what they want guys like him to do. There are no "sane" ISIS members by our standards. They are all BSC which is precisely why their ideals work!
It's laughable that some people can't grasp how differently they think.......THEY WANT ALL NON MUSLIMS DEAD OR LIVING IN FEAR WHILE ALIVE.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:50 pm to Layabout
quote:Are you even paying attention to the news? Did you catch the "convert" aspect of his story?
ISIS is a Sunni faction. Doubtful that an Iranian would be a follower.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:25 pm to MrCarton
quote:
Im sorry but that isnt true. Terrorism: the use of violence or intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
If a person views themself as an ideologue and commits violence in the name of the ideology (which his lawyer said in your quote) in a very public fashion, it is ridiculous to split the hair any further in saying whether or not that is a "terror attack." The criminal clearly intended it as a terror attack and it's nonsense to pretend you know better than them what their aims were.
Political aims don't have to be specific. They can be, and often are, very general in terror attacks. "Australia is the Great Satan and I'm attacking the country" is as political as needed to fit the definition. Or it could be even more general than that. Your attempts to deconstruct terror attacks simply through vocabulary arguments aren't helpful to the conversation.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:31 pm to the808bass
quote:I think most people want to distinguish between the Elliott Rodger's and the Al Qaeda's as far as crazy situations go.
If a person views themself as an ideologue and commits violence in the name of the ideology (which his lawyer said in your quote) in a very public fashion, it is ridiculous to split the hair any further in saying whether or not that is a "terror attack." The criminal clearly intended it as a terror attack and it's nonsense to pretend you know better than them what their aims were.
To group them together seems silly. There are crazies who profess allegiance to Hitler. I recall two girls trying to kill a friend to draw the attention of some fictional character (Stick Man?)
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:15 pm to mmcgrath
No. It's silly to group StickMan killers with Islamist killers. It's not silly to group Neo Nazis killers with Nazi killers.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:26 pm to mmcgrath
Slender Man, a bunch of my 12-year old daughters parents were freaking out over it
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:33 pm to MrCarton
CNN calls him a 'self-styled' cleric, whatever the frick that means
Posted on 12/15/14 at 5:03 pm to fillmoregandt
quote:If I opened up a medical office and started practicing medicine, I would be a self-styled physician. I gave myself the title and just started practicing without being licensed and without a medical degree.
CNN calls him a 'self-styled' cleric, whatever the frick that means
A self-styled cleric would be someone who considers himself a cleric but lacks the necessary training to be considered a cleric by mainstream followers.
As an analogy, a self-styled pastor might start his own church and start preaching things that don't really jive with mainstream Christianity. Maybe he claims he's the second coming of Jesus and then he starts handing out Kool-Aid so he can lead his flock to the next life...
I suspect that this guy had no real ties to ISIS, but we shall see.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 5:08 pm to mmcgrath
quote:I'm a member of the forum that created Slenderman and have been for 10 years. It's pretty crazy that one of its memes took off and, many years later, inspired two kids to try to murder one of their friends.
To group them together seems silly. There are crazies who profess allegiance to Hitler. I recall two girls trying to kill a friend to draw the attention of some fictional character (Stick Man?)
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 5:29 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:Could've used your help in the "Welcome to the Republican Party" thread
I'm a member of the forum that created Slenderman and have been for 10 years.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:49 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
I suspect that this guy had no real ties to ISIS, but we shall see.
We're being too clever by half in parsing out this guy's behavior. He was inspired by violent strains of Islam and acted violently against Western civilians. Exactly what the Islamists have asked "true believers" to do. Why are we trying to separate these things out?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:08 pm to the808bass
quote:
We're being too clever by half in parsing out this guy's behavior. He was inspired by violent strains of Islam and acted violently against Western civilians. Exactly what the Islamists have asked "true believers" to do. Why are we trying to separate these things out?
Just because a crazy guy is inspired by a terrorist group it doesn't make him a member of that group.
Of course the only reason we think he was even inspired was because he reportedly asked for an Isis flag. Nothing else he did resembled what Isis does.
Page 2 of 3
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News