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re: What do I need to know about a GSP?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:20 pm to MSG
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:20 pm to MSG
quote:BOO!
They're from Canada.. Like to rear naked choke, former UFC champion, speak terrible English., etc
Mine rabbit hunts with our without me.
I understand about the retrieving issues. We have to revisit that skill every year. he will go get anything I throw, but gun to dead bird is a tough concept. Now, if i Wing a duck and that thing is still flapping on the water, LOOK OUT!
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:27 pm to RouxDog91
Well let me know when you do, and if you want to get together and work with her. How old is she?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:58 pm to JTM72
Same initials, same kind of dogs, same amount of dogs. Just a weird coincidence then.
Hunted there one year cool place, just different than I'm used to Sorry about the
Hunted there one year cool place, just different than I'm used to Sorry about the
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:48 pm to wickowick
What wick said to the T except that mine is 3 and hasn't slowed down at all.
Mine does not like retrieving dead birds (will do it on occasion) but part of that might also be due to poor training. He also hates sitting still in a duck blind. Sitting in one spot in the outdoors does not compute to GSPs. They have to be moving and have to be sniffing. Does not match up well with my duck hunting affinity.
I will stand by my dogs ability to out last any dog in an endurance competition. Over exaggerating a little maybe but not by much. I swear that guy doesn't get tired.
He's does get separation anxiety and part of that might be due to how closely I bonded with him as a puppy. He and I were inseparable in his first year.
Very smart. Very loyal. Great dog.
Make sure you get a shock collar. Absolutely necessary to check him up or else you'll be like me running around in an open dove field hollering "NOLA!!! COME BAAACCCKKKKK!"
Mine does not like retrieving dead birds (will do it on occasion) but part of that might also be due to poor training. He also hates sitting still in a duck blind. Sitting in one spot in the outdoors does not compute to GSPs. They have to be moving and have to be sniffing. Does not match up well with my duck hunting affinity.
I will stand by my dogs ability to out last any dog in an endurance competition. Over exaggerating a little maybe but not by much. I swear that guy doesn't get tired.
He's does get separation anxiety and part of that might be due to how closely I bonded with him as a puppy. He and I were inseparable in his first year.
Very smart. Very loyal. Great dog.
Make sure you get a shock collar. Absolutely necessary to check him up or else you'll be like me running around in an open dove field hollering "NOLA!!! COME BAAACCCKKKKK!"
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 5:52 pm to wickowick
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What do I need to know about a GSP?
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I would like to train her for ducks
Be warned, that is how I started with a GSP. I now have 3. I have found that many can be made to retrieve, but many do no have the heart of a retriever... Dead bird? frick that, lets go find something living...
Grizzly swam about 75 yards to a splashing cripple that died right before he got there...
Turned around and came right back
And yes some gsp are Houdini at getting loose
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:57 pm to RouxDog91
First, overall great input by previous posters. Nailed it on GSPs. Mine is a little over a year now but I'll add this.... If you have medium house/backyard you have to have an alternative place to work the dog outside of that. A medium yard is really just a place to to poop and pee. If you are planning on training in the yard it's virtually pointless - if you are planning to keep it in the yard make sure you have at least 8 ft fences (they climb). I wouldn't get the dog unless you have some places to train/take it in mind already.
That said, training easy enough if you are dedicated (dedicated meaning you are happy to spend a couple hours a day getting the dog where it needs to be). They are exceptionally quick learners but unlike a lab they do not turn off. They tire and you will tire well before they do.
My biggest struggle, living in a medium size house is that the pointer will always feel busy. Even indoors she is looking for something to do. Something to find etc. can't take my eyes off of her. Store away anything and you have food or otherwise.
That said, training easy enough if you are dedicated (dedicated meaning you are happy to spend a couple hours a day getting the dog where it needs to be). They are exceptionally quick learners but unlike a lab they do not turn off. They tire and you will tire well before they do.
My biggest struggle, living in a medium size house is that the pointer will always feel busy. Even indoors she is looking for something to do. Something to find etc. can't take my eyes off of her. Store away anything and you have food or otherwise.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:33 pm to Timequake
This is Riley - she is 11mos old - like others have said energetic, loves to fetch, very obedient, and a quick learner. I have trained and worked with her to track wounded deer but her natural instincts are to point at anything alive, and tree squirrels (not sure where this came from). My oldest son has Down syndrome and was terrified of animals dogs included, we got Riley as a pup and slowly introduced them to each other - they are inseparable now. She is a great family companion, and loves to socialize with other dogs. Riley is our first GSP and we are asked all the time about her, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this breed to anyone looking for a hunting/family companion.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:40 pm to Timequake
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My biggest struggle, living in a medium size house is that the pointer will always feel busy. Even indoors she is looking for something to do. Something to find etc. can't take my eyes off of her.
My wife managed to buy my 10 month old son some toys that are remarkably similar to a training bumper and other dog toys... he grabs them when he wants attention. I have to admit though as high strung as he is, he is great with the little guy. I watched my son crawl up to him and take a raw hide bone from his mouth and the dog just got up and looked at me as the kid crawled off with it. The little guy has even crawled up to his food bowl and tipped it over while he was eating and not once did he growl. He's a great family pet and extremely protective and loyal.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:03 am to RouxDog91
My ex got one when we were together. That dog was extremely loyal and friendly, just a big ball of energy. She would stand at the door and look out every time someone walked by, she was very protective. That being said, when ever someone new came around the dog she was fine as long as the person was their with someone the dog trusts. Before the ex got her, I wasn't a huge dog guy and I preferred labs but not anymore. That dog was so lovable it's unreal. I definitely recommend GSPs to everyone looking for a dog now.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 5:43 am to RouxDog91
I'll put it a little more bluntly than the rest of he posters have here, don't waste your time trying to duck hunt them. They don't like the cold water and more than likely your dog won't fetch a dead bird. I say this because I have wasted 1,000's of dollars trying to get one to retrieve and he simply won't. I do have a female that will out swim most labs, but the cold water is a big challenge. She'll fetch any dead bird and love doing it, but if the water is ~40 degrees she likely won't get to the duck.
Save your time, $, and countless hours of frustration and don't retriever train it because it more than likely won't have the natural drive to do so. It's probably not what you want to hear and most will likely disagree with me, but that's what I have learned about these dogs over the last 4 years.
Save your time, $, and countless hours of frustration and don't retriever train it because it more than likely won't have the natural drive to do so. It's probably not what you want to hear and most will likely disagree with me, but that's what I have learned about these dogs over the last 4 years.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 7:49 am to nhassl1
To add to ^ gsp's also have no desire to sit still for long stretches as a duck hunting retriever would. A pointer's instinct is to go find things, and run around. Basically this, all the time:
That being said, love my gsp.
That being said, love my gsp.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:40 am to uglycasanova7
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gsp's also have no desire to sit still for long stretches as a duck hunting retriever would.
not entirely true. GSP's/GWP's are bred to be more versatile than other true pointing breeds. I took mine out a couple of weeks ago. We didnt have any ducks come in but he sat next to me the entire time and didn't move.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:01 am to JTM72
My male will sit still for hours and not retrieve, and my female will retrieve and is anxious and constantly moving. It's rare you get the best of both worlds.
Wire hairs and draughts are probably a different story and are much more cold tolerant.
Wire hairs and draughts are probably a different story and are much more cold tolerant.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:34 am to nhassl1
Nhass grizzly had developed into a fine duck dog and a better goose dog
Keep in mind. There are lot of hunt test titled dogs I don't consider worthy hunters.....
Of course he would rather be roaming and pointing but...he was a btter blind dog than most I have seen
Keep in mind. There are lot of hunt test titled dogs I don't consider worthy hunters.....
Of course he would rather be roaming and pointing but...he was a btter blind dog than most I have seen
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:53 am to JTM72
quote:
not entirely true. GSP's/GWP's are bred to be more versatile than other true pointing breeds. I took mine out a couple of weeks ago. We didnt have any ducks come in but he sat next to me the entire time and didn't move
To the original poster:
I would take the "versatile breeding" idea lightly. I have hunted over a few GSP's extensively but was not the dogs owner, I have only owned flushing dogs. I'm not sure what your plans are for the dog, but my opinion is free so take it for what it's worth.
I would have realistic expectations for what you want to do with a dog regardless of breed. For an amateur trainer to take a GSP and make it an above average retriever, you may have the odds stacked against you. I have hunted extensively over two GSP's in my life, and as many have said they are full of hunt. Both dogs were pointing fools in the woodcock woods and were a joy to hunt over. In a duck blind, they were quite the pain in the arse, but so are lots of retrievers.
Another thing I have experienced with multiple pointing breeds is that sometimes it takes a dog a good while to figure out its purpose. Two of the better pointers I have seen pointed very few birds their first season, but eventually things clicked.
Good luck
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:55 am to nhassl1
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Wire hairs and draughts are probably a different story and are much more cold tolerant.
That is the number one reason I'm getting a GWP for my next dog. Though my male sat still the entire time, he was shivering the entire time. I think a combination of him not moving to go get the ducks and no vest was a major factor. I gotta give it to him though, he didnt whine at all, just toughed it out like a champ.
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