re: Apparently the Heisman snub has been around since the award's inception

I dunno about hating on some of the winners from the mid 60s and earlier b/c a lot of those dudes played both ways. A&M's first winner John David Crow's numbers look pedestrian until you realize he was a beast on D as well.

fricking notre dame.

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I got a bad feeling when Frazier got snubbed.

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I could see that but i don't think it was a screwjob

As to the Archie Griffin one, I agree he should not have won his senior year. However, there have been a lot of people that said he should have won it his sophomore year, but didn't because he was an underclassman (that is a Heisman thing that has only recently ended in itself)

So #s 10, 9, 8, and 4:
Don McPherson, Paul Giel, Jerry Rhome, Chuck Muncie were snubbed because they posted better stats

but #1:
Herschel Walker was snubbed because he had worse stats but he was on a better team?

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And #6:
Tommie Frazier was snubbed because his QB stats are better than Eddie George's RB stats

but #s 7, 5, and 3:
Greg Pruitt, Marshall Faulk, and OJ Simpson were snubbed because their RB stats are better than Pat Sullivan, Gino Torretta, and Gary Beban's QB stats?

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#6:
Snubbed- Frazier: (Pass: 1362 YD, 17 TD, 4 INT / Rush: 604 YD, 14 TD)
Heisman- George: (Rush: 1927 YD, 24 TD)

#7:
Snubbed- Pruit: (Rush: 1760 YD, 18 TD)
Heisman- Sullivan: (Pass: 2262 YD, 21 TD, 13 INT)

#5:
Snubbed- Faulk: (Rush: 1630 YD, 15 TD / 18 REC)
Heisman- Torretta: (Pass: 3060 YD, 19 TD, 7 INT)

#3:
Snubbed- Simpson: (Rush: 1543 YD, 13 TD)
Heisman- Beban: (Pass: 1359 YD, 8 TD, 7 INT / Rush: 227 YD, 11 TD)

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TL;DR:

List says stats matter in #10, #9, #8, and #4.
List says stats don't matter in #1.

List says on #6, QB is snubbed by RB.
Heisman RB on #6 has better stats than "snubbed" RBs on #7, #5, and #3.

List says on #7, #5, and #3, RB is snubbed.
Heisman QBs on #7 and #5 have better stats than "snubbed" QB on #6.

Simpson v. Beban is debatable.

I'd agree with #2.

OJ Simpson also beat UCLA and Beban head to head...in the "Game of the Century"

Last game of the year #1 UCLA vs. #2 USC...Pac10 title, Rose Bowl, national championship all on the line in one game...

And Simpson had his Heisman moment winning the game with his run to daylight...LINK

Even the Heisman folks knew it was such a mistake in voting for Beban...that they made Simpson the biggest winner of all-time (at the time) the next year...despite Simpson having less impressive stats.

Simpson was the biggest snub in CFB history. He should have been the first back-to-back winner as he was the best player in CFB in all 3 years he played.

Actually the most notable thing about that game is how USC leapfrogged #2 Tennessee with the same record even after losing to a terrible Oregon State team. Complete bullshite. UT are the real '67 national champs.

As has been said...USC beat #1 UCLA who had already beat Tennessee...ergo the leapfrog.

A Tennessee team that then lost their bowl game.

While USC won the Rose Bowl.

I didn't know UT claims this title...what a joke. Some schools have no shame.

Tennessee still claims it based on some selector called Litkenhous.

He was a professor at Vanderbilt.

I think the worst one of my life was Jason White winning over Larry Fitzgerald. White racked up huge numbers but never really seemed like anything special to me at all. You're telling me he was more outstanding than Larry Fitzgerald that year?!?!