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Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:55 pm to HempHead
quote:The decision was made before you were born. Tacit consent, dawg.
We did? I don't remember participating in this decision.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:57 pm to Hog on the Hill
No, we have a group of libertarians who think they should be able to actively consent to the Social Contract every day.
Like literally push a button in the morning at their houses as to whether they feel like consenting today or not.
It's fricking great.
Like literally push a button in the morning at their houses as to whether they feel like consenting today or not.
It's fricking great.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:58 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
The decision was made before you were born. Tacit consent, dawg.
I'm willing to pay taxes because I don't like prison, but don't try to sell me on a social contract.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:02 pm to HempHead
This social contract was in place on this land long before you were even floating in Papa Hemphead's nutsack.
'Murica, love it or leave it, dawg
'Murica, love it or leave it, dawg
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:03 pm to boosiebadazz
Does this argument apply to citizens of other countries, or just America?
It's a working process.
quote:
'Murica, love it or leave it, dawg
It's a working process.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:05 pm to HempHead
What argument?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:06 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
This social contract was in place on this land long before you were even floating in Papa Hemphead's nutsack.
The social contract is vague and doesn't explicitly settle anything. It's a living, breathing philosophical ideal that fluctuates with the "morality" of the day.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:07 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
This social contract was in place on this land long before you were even floating in Papa Hemphead's nutsack.
Would this obligation towards the 'social contract' exist in other countries? Is it dependent on how long the government has been in place?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Taking this as true, the "morality of the day" has not been "let poor people die rather than collect taxes" for many centuries. Coercive redistribution, in some form or another, goes all the way back to the English Poor Laws.
The social contract is vague and doesn't explicitly settle anything. It's a living, breathing philosophical ideal that fluctuates with the "morality" of the day.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:11 pm to Iosh
quote:
Taking this as true, the "morality of the day" has not been "let poor people die rather than collect taxes" for many centuries.
Our "safety net" goes far beyond "letting people die in the street" which I think is a laughable scare tactic in the modern day.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
pretty hilarious. They act as if those are the only two options: option 1- letting people die in the street or option 2- letting people live their entire lives not working/getting public assistance.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:22 pm to Tigerstudent08
quote:
pretty hilarious. They act as if those are the only two options: option 1- letting people die in the street or option 2- letting people live their entire lives not working/getting public assistance.
Correct. Some really believe if our current system of social welfare were not intact, the streets would be littered with bodies of the poor because they are incapable of doing any better.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:24 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
2. Businesses don't pay taxes in the long run. They pass the cost on to the consumer. Even better. So what's the problem?
The problem is I don't like paying more taxes when govt should be about 1/20th the size it is now.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Some really believe if our current system of social welfare were not intact, the streets would be littered with bodies of the poor because they are incapable of doing any better.
I was around way before the Great Society. In the 50s I didn't see anyone dead in the streets. There was a wino with one leg sitting on Main Street of New Iberia in from of Wormser's Clothing Store. He had a tin cup. Don't know how much he made but he wasn't starving.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:27 pm to Zach
quote:
The problem is I don't like paying more taxes when govt should be about 1/20th the size it is now.
out of curiosity, what 150B in spending do you keep?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:32 pm to Zach
quote:
I was around way before the Great Society. In the 50s I didn't see anyone dead in the streets. There was a wino with one leg sitting on Main Street of New Iberia in from of Wormser's Clothing Store. He had a tin cup. Don't know how much he made but he wasn't starving.
We still have homeless, beggers, etc. I'd say there's a case that this redistribution has created a systematic class of poor with a concrete ceiling.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:41 pm to Hawkeye95
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out of curiosity, what 150B in spending do you keep?
I've already posted my idea of cuts but I suppose you missed it:
Eliminate:
Dept of Energy
Dept of Education
E.P.A.
Dept. of Interior
Housing and Urban Development
Dept. of Agriculture
National Labor Relations Board
I.R.S. (FAIR TAX)
Pell Grants
All Welfare Programs:
AFDC, Food Stamps, Early Child Hood Educ., etc.
I would also sell all govt land to private interests. Yellowstone National Park would take in a Trillion at minimum.
Next question?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So where are the millions of jobs going to come from for the people that are currently unemployed and relying on the govt to survive?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:53 pm to MJM
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So where are the millions of jobs going to come from for the people that are currently unemployed and relying on the govt to survive?
A freed market. Unencumbered by govt. Growth. Corporations stop sitting on capital. They expand. It works every time.
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