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A safety net is much fairer than price controls on wages
Posted on 12/14/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 12/14/14 at 1:44 pm
We as a society have decided that a safety net should be in place to catch the unemployed and the poor, unskilled laborers. There is nothing wrong with that, in and of itself, especially on the local level.
In other words, we as a society have deemed it unfair to transfer that function onto a businessman. Businesses exist to make money, to offer the most demanded items at the lowest possible prices. They are not charities, yet I feel like liberals who say "higher wages not welfare!" or "walmart causes welfare use!" do not understand this. Those people truly think that businesses should exist to give their workers ample pay no matter the value those workers bring to a company.
My question to you, liberals: why do you think it is a business's job, and not society's in general, to help our poorest? It's morally lazy and selfish to get rid of your obligations to the poor by passing that duty onto an innocent businessman/business owner.
In other words, we as a society have deemed it unfair to transfer that function onto a businessman. Businesses exist to make money, to offer the most demanded items at the lowest possible prices. They are not charities, yet I feel like liberals who say "higher wages not welfare!" or "walmart causes welfare use!" do not understand this. Those people truly think that businesses should exist to give their workers ample pay no matter the value those workers bring to a company.
My question to you, liberals: why do you think it is a business's job, and not society's in general, to help our poorest? It's morally lazy and selfish to get rid of your obligations to the poor by passing that duty onto an innocent businessman/business owner.
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 1:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I don't think either should exist. I owe nothing to my neighbor and he owes nothing to me. If I want to help via charity of my own free will, fine. But no government laws should exist to transfer wealth in one form or another.
Posted on 12/14/14 at 1:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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safety net is ...fair
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you, liberal
Posted on 12/14/14 at 2:36 pm to Blue Velvet
Yes, we know, Hayek and Friedman were socialists 
Posted on 12/14/14 at 2:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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My question to you, liberals: why do you think it is a business's job, and not society's in general, to help our poorest?
Why can't society tax businesses and use a portion of that revenue for the safety net?
Posted on 12/14/14 at 2:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Don't you see that these are 2 methodologies for the same goal?
That being state directed wealth redistribution.
That being state directed wealth redistribution.
Posted on 12/14/14 at 2:45 pm to LeonPhelps
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I don't think either should exist. I owe nothing to my neighbor and he owes nothing to me.
This
Posted on 12/14/14 at 3:00 pm to Iosh
Posted on 12/14/14 at 3:07 pm to Blue Velvet
Sounds like Mises was the type of absolutist who would fit in here with our resident libertarians.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:03 am to boosiebadazz
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Why can't society tax businesses and use a portion of that revenue for the safety net?
How is that working?
Who determines the width of the safety net?
Who determines the definition of need/poverty?
Politicians who desire their vote?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:05 am to roygu
We all exist in society. A safety net is absolutely necessary for the benefit of all who live here. Those who benefit the most from society's wealth need to and must help provide for those not so fortunate.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:28 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Businesses exist to make money, to offer the most demanded items at the lowest possible prices.
Know how I know that you aren't a business owner?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:36 am to VABuckeye
Businesses exist to make money pure and simple. As much as possible.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:19 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Those who benefit the most from society's wealth need to and must help provide for those not so fortunate.
So where's the incentive for one to pick themselves up by the bootstraps to make themselves a more productive person if they can just sit back and proclaim "give me my MONEY"?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:55 am to Homesick Tiger
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So where's the incentive for one to pick themselves up by the bootstraps to make themselves a more productive person if they can just sit back and proclaim "give me my MONEY"?
You put the emphasis on the wrong word.
It's "give me MY money".
And, that is the problem. Before the Great Society, people recognized charity for what is was and were grateful for those who had to work to provide for them.
Now, and in large part because of LBJ's and the Democrat's Great Society, it's an entitlement mentality -- bought and paid for with their votes (whether or not they actually cast it themselves) to keep these scumbag Democrats in office.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 9:06 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:13 am to MMauler
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You put the emphasis on the wrong word.
I was referencing my Jerry Maguire take.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:59 am to boosiebadazz
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Why can't society tax businesses and use a portion of that revenue for the safety net?
1. Our corporate tax rates are already among the highest on the planet.
2. Businesses don't pay taxes in the long run. They pass the cost on to the consumer.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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We as a society have decided that a safety net should be in place
We did? I don't remember participating in this decision.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:53 pm to HempHead
quote:It happens every time a Libertarian Party candidate gets a fraction of a percent of the vote.
We did? I don't remember participating in this decision.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:54 pm to Iosh
Hey man, don't blame me, I voted for Grover Cleveland.
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