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OT camera shoppers - Thread to end all Camera Threads
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:44 pm
Ok,there seems to be about 3-4 threads a week about DSLR cameras (especially this time of year). Here is my side of DSLR cameras.
I am a photographer (or still learning to be one, 7-8 years now, plus back in college). If you are in the market for a camera to take pics of your kids, vacations, etc, buy a point and shoot. Buying a nice DSLR, shooting in AUTO, and using the cheap lenses that come with it is like buying a sports car and only using to to grocery shop.
I am not trying to sound like an uppity "photographer", I just don't want you to waste your money. There are some GREAT point and shoots out there (and to me, they are harder to work than my DSLR, unless you just shoot in auto).
I am a photography junkie. I eat, sleep, and live photography. I like talking to other photographers, new and veterans. I am always looking to learn something new.
Getting great "studio" or "wall hanger" quality images is not just buying a $600 camera kit. You can achieve this with these cameras, but there is more (much more) than owning the camera.
I can go on forever into this, but if you want to take GREAT pictures, look into photography forums on line, join "Louisiana Photographic Society" (in BR and on FB), ask for advice, take critiques on your work.
Hell, email me (screen name @yahoo.com), I will show you all kind of shite.
For those wondering what I am talking about...
Photography is just like playing golf. Any idiot can go out there and knock around the ball, have a good time, but still suck at golf. Taking a great image is like hitting that perfect correct golf shot, you can feel it as soon as you hit it, it just felt right.
I am a photographer (or still learning to be one, 7-8 years now, plus back in college). If you are in the market for a camera to take pics of your kids, vacations, etc, buy a point and shoot. Buying a nice DSLR, shooting in AUTO, and using the cheap lenses that come with it is like buying a sports car and only using to to grocery shop.
I am not trying to sound like an uppity "photographer", I just don't want you to waste your money. There are some GREAT point and shoots out there (and to me, they are harder to work than my DSLR, unless you just shoot in auto).
I am a photography junkie. I eat, sleep, and live photography. I like talking to other photographers, new and veterans. I am always looking to learn something new.
Getting great "studio" or "wall hanger" quality images is not just buying a $600 camera kit. You can achieve this with these cameras, but there is more (much more) than owning the camera.
I can go on forever into this, but if you want to take GREAT pictures, look into photography forums on line, join "Louisiana Photographic Society" (in BR and on FB), ask for advice, take critiques on your work.
Hell, email me (screen name @yahoo.com), I will show you all kind of shite.
For those wondering what I am talking about...
Photography is just like playing golf. Any idiot can go out there and knock around the ball, have a good time, but still suck at golf. Taking a great image is like hitting that perfect correct golf shot, you can feel it as soon as you hit it, it just felt right.
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:45 pm to theantiquetiger
Soooo...
What is this thread about?
What is this thread about?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:46 pm to theantiquetiger
Good post. Tried to explain this many times, but you'll have people in here arguing with you in no time.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:47 pm to tLSU
No he won't
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:48 pm to theantiquetiger
So... That's great and all. But not too detailed. Mirrorless? Nikon? Cannon? Lenses? What's your "go-to"? Etc.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:01 pm to ell_13
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So... That's great and all. But not too detailed. Mirrorless? Nikon? Cannon? Lenses? What's your "go-to"? Etc.
Nikon, Sony, or Canon, it doesn't matter, just what you like.
I shoot with a Canon (60D, about $800).
It is a very nice, upper level beginner camera. Photography is not about the camera, its about the lens and lighting (natural or flash).
I have over $3000 in lenses (and I don't have crap). My best lens is a 70-200 f/2.8 ($1500).
Equipment is user dependent, what do you want to do?
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:11 pm to theantiquetiger
I still have a 60D as my backup/second body. Great camera, though I wish they would have kept the magnesium frame like the 40D and 50D had.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:24 pm to theantiquetiger
You use that 70-200 2.8 handheld or tripod? I'm sorry but that lens is bottom of the barrel L glass without IS- the "magic drainpipe" as it's often referred to just like the plastic bodied "nifty 50". Yeah it will take some good shots but check yourself my man before you start the "end all be all photography thread"
Not to sound like a uppity photographer but your OP only has one good point "don't waste money". Other then that, the rest of your post is some kind of weak brag thread.
Point is- don't present yourself as THE photography guy on this board with that weak-arse resume.
Not to sound like a uppity photographer but your OP only has one good point "don't waste money". Other then that, the rest of your post is some kind of weak brag thread.
Point is- don't present yourself as THE photography guy on this board with that weak-arse resume.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:41 pm to DLauw
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You use that 70-200 2.8 handheld or tripod? I'm sorry but that lens is bottom of the barrel L glass without IS- the "magic drainpipe" as it's often referred to just like the plastic bodied "nifty 50". Yeah it will take some good shots but check yourself my man before you start the "end all be all photography thread"
Not to sound like a uppity photographer but your OP only has one good point "don't waste money". Other then that, the rest of your post is some kind of weak brag thread.
Not to bash your gear too badly but I wouldn't consider any of the xxxD's or xxD's close to professional or semi-pro canon bodies.
Point is- don't present yourself as THE photography guy on this board with that weak-arse resume.
Where in my Op do I refer to myself as a pro or all knowing?
I even stated I have an upper beginner camera.
I use my 70-200 mostly as handheld, I use my 17-50 2.8 or 10-24 3.5 lenses tripod mounted, because they are landscape lenses. BTW, IS is not needed if you keep your time longer than your FL. IS is for beginners. (BTW, it is a Tamron 70-200 2.8, product of the year) The Canon equivalent is about $2400.
I sold the lens that came with the body.
I also have the crappy 50mm 2.8 (mostly junk but comes in handy).
I even state in my OP that I have $3000 in lenses and other equipment and I don't have crap.
My "brag" in the OP is the farthest from a brag. I am showing that a DSLR alone is not the answer, it goes MUCH deeper than that.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:48 pm to tLSU
quote:
I still have a 60D as my backup/second body. Great camera, though I wish they would have kept the magnesium frame like the 40D and 50D had.
My K-3 is weather sealed, has a stainless frame and magnesium body. It very solid.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:04 pm to theantiquetiger
Good post,OP. It's true. People who buy expensive cameras thinking they'll get great photographs by pointing and shooting are unaware. A camera is a tool that needs to be learned to reach its capabilities.
I once made the mistake of teaching a class about manual photography to people who didn't know how to turn a camera on.
Buyers... only spend big bucks on a camera if you're willing to learn how to use it.
I once made the mistake of teaching a class about manual photography to people who didn't know how to turn a camera on.
Buyers... only spend big bucks on a camera if you're willing to learn how to use it.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:41 pm to theantiquetiger
quote:
IS is for beginners.
Right, almost every piece of high end glass comes with some form of vibration control now, but it is only for beginners.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:50 pm to theantiquetiger
I always thought prime lenses were best...
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:52 pm to juice4lsu
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I always thought prime lenses were best...
Yes, primes are the best (and usually the most $$$).
Lenses that range a great amount of FL are usually the worst (18-300 etc)
I don't do much portrait photography (mostly street). primes are great for portraits.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 12:02 am to NOFOX
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Right, almost every piece of high end glass comes with some form of vibration control now, but it is only for beginners.
Yea I agree, IS is great. Not everyone is using a tripod taking still shots in low light. Anything that gets you an extra stop or so (or more) may be the difference depending on the lighting you're using.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 12:08 am to theantiquetiger
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Photography is not about the camera, its about the lens and lighting
I'd say it depends on what you're doing with it. The ISO performance difference alone when I went from a t4i to 5DM3 was incredible to me, particularly given that I shoot in lower light situations a decent amount of the time.
But yea, a great camera body with a crappy lens won't produce images as good as a lower model body with nice high quality glass.
And you're dead on with the user dependent part. I know someone who spent a good bit on a camera set up, leaves it on auto, and is always frustrated with how the shots come out but won't let anyone explain anything and won't take the time to learn about it. To me, learning about it is a big part of the fun.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 12:12 am to theantiquetiger
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theantiquetiger
That is all fine and dandy, but how are people supposed to get better at taking pictures and learn how to use a great camera, when all you snobs keep trying to discourage them ?
Posted on 12/13/14 at 12:16 am to SG_Geaux
I think the point was that if you are wanting something to just snap a few shots with but you know you don't want to take the time to really learn how to use the better cameras, then it's not worth it for you to spend a couple hundred extra (at least) just for a "nicer" camera.
I always encourage people to get a DSLR (if they are ok with the size) because in my experience, once people start using it most of them end up really enjoying it and learning a lot more about it.
I always encourage people to get a DSLR (if they are ok with the size) because in my experience, once people start using it most of them end up really enjoying it and learning a lot more about it.
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 12:20 am
Posted on 12/13/14 at 12:22 am to TMDawg
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Yea I agree, IS is great. Not everyone is using a tripod taking still shots in low light. Anything that gets you an extra stop or so (or more) may be the difference depending on the lighting you're using.
IS is built into my camera and the only time it's not on is when I'm shooting with a remote.
I've got a high end P&S, 5 year old entry level DSLR and a new intermediate DSLR. Even the old DSLR with a kit lens does better in low light or with action shots than the high end, newer P&S
Posted on 12/13/14 at 3:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I've got a high end P&S, 5 year old entry level DSLR and a new intermediate DSLR. Even the old DSLR with a kit lens does better in low light or with action shots than the high end, newer P&S
Whatever you are taking them with I always enjoy your pics on here. I doubt most even notice how often you change them though.
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