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re: Drew Brees gave Christian testimony to teammates this morning...

Posted on 12/13/14 at 4:15 pm to
Posted by tiger in the gump
Member since Jan 2005
775 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 4:15 pm to
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Wow! Great example of true leader. No wonder the saints organization has been as great as it has the last 8 years.


All 8 years?
Posted by wayne5w
Austin, TX
Member since Aug 2014
404 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:13 pm to
I like Drew but I wish he'd keep his religious crap to himself. Hate when people think they have to push their own version of religion on everyone else.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
Sunshine Pumping most days.
Member since Oct 2011
31637 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:29 pm to
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I like Drew but I wish he'd keep his religious crap to himself. Hate when people think they have to push their own version of religion on everyone else.

While I agree that pushing religion isn't cool, he's only pushing if it's mandatory, right?

I don't see any evidence that it's mandatory.
Posted by wayne5w
Austin, TX
Member since Aug 2014
404 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:38 pm to
By pushing I mean public displays (such as tweeting), including/influencing teammates, etc. I am serious about my religion, as is most of my extended family. But I'd never make any public display or try to influence anyone else. This whole "my religion is the only religion, let me save you" thing is just plain wrong, IMHO.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18643 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 6:03 pm to
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While I agree that pushing religion isn't cool, he's only pushing if it's mandatory, right?

I don't see any evidence that it's mandatory.


I don't want to pass too much judgment here without knowing the nature of it for myself.

But even if it isn't mandatory, I can easily see how such a practice could be divisive in the locker room. What if your boss started getting some employees together at work for bible readings? Even if it isn't mandatory, I can easily see where that would get weird. Look how many people in this thread have already made sarcastic remarks. There are dozens of men on a football team roster plus coaches, assistants, and other staff. I find it hard to believe that there aren't at least a few guys rolling their eyes within the organization.
Posted by wayne5w
Austin, TX
Member since Aug 2014
404 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 6:50 pm to
Good way of explaining what I was getting at, thanks. I run a company with 500+ emps, with people in 20 countries and every custom and religion you can imagine. The last thing I would do is mention my religion as I would not want to influence anyone or create any kind of uncomfortable situation. My view is religion should be a deeply private choice and practice. Public display is bs.
Posted by shaqtaw
Member since Oct 2009
4961 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 6:57 pm to
He needs to ask what ever God he prays to for less interceptions.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
Sunshine Pumping most days.
Member since Oct 2011
31637 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:09 pm to
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I run a company with 500+ emps, with people in 20 countries and every custom and religion you can imagine. The last thing I would do is mention my religion as I would not want to influence anyone or create any kind of uncomfortable situation. My view is religion should be a deeply private choice and practice. Public display is bs.
I agree with you when it comes to my own behavior.

But I'm not sure I'm ready to condemn Brees for this.
Posted by D011ahbi11
Member since Jun 2007
13616 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:11 pm to
I bet Every team in the NFL and NCAA has these bible studies. So if they're rolling their eyes and can't respect the religions of others, then they are the ones causing the problem.
Posted by wayne5w
Austin, TX
Member since Aug 2014
404 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:33 pm to
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I agree with you when it comes to my own behavior.

But I'm not sure I'm ready to condemn Brees for this.


Interesting position. Why hold a public figure to a lesser standard? Seems to me it should be just the opposite.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18643 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 8:02 pm to
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I bet Every team in the NFL and NCAA has these bible studies. So if they're rolling their eyes and can't respect the religions of others, then they are the ones causing the problem.



Pointing fingers isn't the point here. Right or wrong, if* Drew's bible studies lead to issues in the locker room that affect the team's cohesion and thus its performance on the field, the practice should be curbed. It's a football team, not a church, after all.



*Highlighting the "if" here -- as I said in my first post, I don't want to pass judgment on this specific situation as I don't know the facts.
Posted by D011ahbi11
Member since Jun 2007
13616 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 8:22 pm to
It's dumb to think this would cause problems
Posted by Hoodoo Man
Sunshine Pumping most days.
Member since Oct 2011
31637 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 8:24 pm to
Why hold others to a higher standard than yourself?
Posted by wayne5w
Austin, TX
Member since Aug 2014
404 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 8:49 pm to
On the surface I wouldn't hold others to a higher standard. I would hold them to the same. But my question to you was why hold a public figure to a lesser standard. You and I agree that this kind of personal issue should remain a personal issue. That was the main point I was making.


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Why hold others to a higher standard than yourself?


Great question. My perspective is, the bigger the soap box the more careful one has to be about what they share/preach/etc.

Posted by BGSB
Opelousas
Member since Jan 2010
2257 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 9:07 pm to
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So being religious makes you a better human?


99.9% of the population don't know who and what they are
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 11:48 pm to
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So being religious makes you a better human?



99.9% of the population don't know who and what they are


OK?
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
55358 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 10:00 am to
Maybe focus on winning and leave that at home.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
25898 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 2:18 pm to
Please don't let Drew Brees turn into a Tim Tebow
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 2:28 pm to
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Please don't let Drew Brees turn into a Tim Tebow


He's always been like this
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13649 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 2:29 pm to
He also is a spokesperson for Advocare. I don't mind religious Brees, as long as he doesn't intermingle the MLM/pyramid scheme known as Advocare into his message.
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