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If SOS played a huge part in Ohio State jumping TCU...
Posted on 12/7/14 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 12/7/14 at 5:40 pm
Did the committee happen to mention who's formula they used?
There are several sites that show TCU higher.
There are several sites that show TCU higher.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:58 am to cubsfan5150
Anyone seen anything on this?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:38 am to cubsfan5150
Yeah it's one of the most ambiguous stats to come up with, so there will be a shite ton of people and sites disagreeing. You can formulate it a bunch of different ways including anything you want to evaluate. It's not a science and will never be one.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:41 am to cubsfan5150
Yes I've seen the same thing. The problem with ranking SOS is the conundrum of ranking teams 25 - 50, and 50 - 75. Everyone knows that the teams 75-112 suck, but does it really matter if a top 10 team played:
Nebraska, Minnesota, Texas, Miami, Boston College, or Kentucky?
Does it really matter if you beat the crap out of Nebraska or Texas?
Similarly, how do you tell the difference / rate the quality of win when it comes to Cal, Penn State, Michigan, North Carolina, or Oregon State?
What I believe they are looking at are strength of conference overall. Big 12 has 3 schools in top 25, Big 10 has 4.
Nebraska, Minnesota, Texas, Miami, Boston College, or Kentucky?
Does it really matter if you beat the crap out of Nebraska or Texas?
Similarly, how do you tell the difference / rate the quality of win when it comes to Cal, Penn State, Michigan, North Carolina, or Oregon State?
What I believe they are looking at are strength of conference overall. Big 12 has 3 schools in top 25, Big 10 has 4.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:04 am to BuckeyesAndBulldogs
I agree, but you've got guys like ballcaster (wanna-be Colin Cowherd) going around thumping their chests saying this and that about SOS, yet hasn't provided any information on what the committee stated was their source.
I'm just curious.
I'm just curious.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:10 am to ironsides
quote:Look at their records, opponents' records, and opponents' opponents' records. Not that hard to figure out.
Similarly, how do you tell the difference / rate the quality of win when it comes to Cal, Penn State, Michigan, North Carolina, or Oregon State?
quote:Always.
Everyone knows that the teams 75-112 suck, but does it really matter if a top 10 team played: Nebraska, Minnesota, Texas, Miami, Boston College, or Kentucky?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:12 am to cubsfan5150
This keeps happening every year. You can almost always bank on a higher record and higher SOS giving a team the nod. It isn't new. It's why USC was shut out in 2003. Auburn 2004. Georgia 2007. USC 2007. Texas Tech and Texas 2008. TCU and Boise State 2009. It happens all the time. I'm not making it up.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:13 am to cubsfan5150
Yeah I mean you are going to have some people over exaggerate and overcompensate. SOS I think was pretty even and they might have had a better one, but in the end I think they just decided B1G as a conference was a little stronger. OOC games were pretty even besides Baylor's was more garbage than TCU or OSU's.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:14 am to ballscaster
quote:I just found out you have been lying the whole time. You keep saying Ohio State had the harder schedule, but Sagarin has TCU ahead of Ohio St in SOS by 10 spots. What gives? LINK
ballscaster
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:15 am to ballscaster
quote:So you think it should be TCU? I cant beleive I didnt think to see if you were actually telling the truth earlier
You can almost always bank on a higher record and higher SOS giving a team the nod
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:17 am to lsupride87
quote:Some systems use home/away/neutral, winning streak, and other factors to configure their personal SOS. Sagarin is a predictor designed for gamblers. The numbers I cite are an aggregate.
I just found out you have been lying the whole time. You keep saying Ohio State had the harder schedule, but Sagarin has TCU ahead of Ohio St in SOS by 10 spots. What gives? LINK
Ohio State has a better record. Their opponents have a better record. Their opponents' opponents have a better record. Interpret the numbers any way you wish. And quit accusing people of lying every time you don't get something, you child.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:19 am to ballscaster
quote:So you are using your own logarithm to say they have a harder schedule, instead of using the accepted SOS rankings? That is intentionally misleading when you keep saying Ohio st had the harder schedule. You are like a filthy politician
Ohio State has a better record. Their opponents have a better record. Their opponents' opponents have a better record
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:20 am to ballscaster
So, is that how the committee looked at it? LINK?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:22 am to cubsfan5150
quote:I dont know what the commitee looked at, but it is false to say Ohio st had a better SOS. I am fine with ballcaster saying Ohio st had a better "ballcaster percentage equation record"
So, is that how the committee looked at it
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:30 am to lsupride87
quote:It isn't a logarithm. I'm just providing numbers for perspective. Ever since the 1983 Auburn screw job, these numbers align very consistently with BCS title games and this playoff. It's just what has happened. It's more than a coincidence. Interpret any way you want, but you'll not change the fact that Ohio owns an advantage over TCU when it comes to record, opponents' record, and opponents' opponents' record.
So you are using your own logarithm to say they have a harder schedule, instead of using the accepted SOS rankings?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:33 am to lsupride87
quote:Either ignorance or a lie.
I dont know what the commitee looked at, but it is false to say Ohio st had a better SOS.
quote:It's actually the original BCS SOS formula fyi.
I am fine with ballcaster saying Ohio st had a better "ballcaster percentage equation record"
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:34 am to ballscaster
quote:Lookup any SOS ranking you want. TCU is ahead of Ohio st in everyone of them
Either ignorance or a lie.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:38 am to lsupride87
quote:
Lookup any SOS ranking you want. TCU is ahead of Ohio st in everyone of them
Well this one has OSU at 45 and TCU at 53 so your statement is false.
ESPN SOS
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 11:39 am
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