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if anybody has a copy of the Garner medical examiner report, please link
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:18 am
I can't find it. All I keep seeing is the same "quote." Not seeing links even in advocacy pieces.
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:28 am to baybeefeetz
bump. still looking.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:52 am to baybeefeetz
back in July, people from "The Nation" were saying:
LINK
But then the Medical Examiner's spokesperson said that the cause of death was compression. Michael Baden confirmed, btw.
But what if the grand jury saw the full autopsy report and saw something that made it impossible to indict, given what the video looks like.
I note also that four ems workers were suspended (at least) for not doing shite to try to save the guy. Way more f'd up on their part than the takedown, imo.
What up with that?
quote:
An initial autopsy report shows no damage to his neck bones or windpipe. The likely cause of death is a heart attack, precipitated by the arrest, chokehold and takedown.
LINK
But then the Medical Examiner's spokesperson said that the cause of death was compression. Michael Baden confirmed, btw.
But what if the grand jury saw the full autopsy report and saw something that made it impossible to indict, given what the video looks like.
I note also that four ems workers were suspended (at least) for not doing shite to try to save the guy. Way more f'd up on their part than the takedown, imo.
What up with that?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:54 am to baybeefeetz
another link, although this quote is from an unnamed law enforcement official. LINK
initially "little" damage to windpipe. Then "compression" ends up being found the cause of death? Weird.
initially "little" damage to windpipe. Then "compression" ends up being found the cause of death? Weird.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:57 am to baybeefeetz
I couldn't find it either, but it basically said that choking him led to the death even though the cops didn't completely break his neck or windpipe.
I have no idea why the final report hasn't been released. Maybe that is up to the family?
I have no idea why the final report hasn't been released. Maybe that is up to the family?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:59 am to mmcgrath
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it basically said that choking him led to the death
There is really no way to argue otherwise.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:00 pm to mmcgrath
so asphyxia?
Why wouldn;'t we have been told the caues of death was asphyxia by neck compression?
I smell a rat.
Why wouldn;'t we have been told the caues of death was asphyxia by neck compression?
I smell a rat.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:00 pm to TK421
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There is really no way to argue otherwise.
let's be precise here. Was it asphyxia?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:02 pm to baybeefeetz
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let's be precise here. Was it asphyxia?
I don't know. My point is there is no way to argue that the choking directly led to his death. The order in which is symptoms precipitated does not matter, in my view.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:08 pm to baybeefeetz
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initially "little" damage to windpipe. Then "compression" ends up being found the cause of death? Weird.
The trachea is not the only thing in the neck that can be compressed and lead to death.
But yes, full autopsy report is much needed.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:10 pm to onmymedicalgrind
what else can do so? The spinal cord? I mean, there ain't a whole lot in the neck. Arteries, veins, muscles, nerves.
Cause of death is neck compression? Is that as precise as the public can know?
thyroid?
Cause of death is neck compression? Is that as precise as the public can know?
thyroid?
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:15 pm to baybeefeetz
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I mean, there ain't a whole lot in the neck.
Not true. Its high-end real estate. Anything going from the brain to the rest of the body, from the heart to the head/brain, or from the upper C-spine to the rest of the body travels through the neck.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:18 pm to onmymedicalgrind
believe it or not, I am actually well acquainted with what is in my neck. I am making a point.
If there were medical info that more closely tied the aggressive acction to the death, we would know about it from the victim's family.
What day do y'all think stories start coming out about the autopsy report being the reason for the non-indictment.
Barney Fife done figured this shite out.
Doesn't change everybody's arguments in all hte other threads, though. I get that.
If there were medical info that more closely tied the aggressive acction to the death, we would know about it from the victim's family.
What day do y'all think stories start coming out about the autopsy report being the reason for the non-indictment.
Barney Fife done figured this shite out.
Doesn't change everybody's arguments in all hte other threads, though. I get that.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:23 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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But yes, full autopsy report is much needed.
In your medical opinion, what does his asthma have to do with his death? Seems to me that he probably died from an asthmatic attack, brought on by the confrontation, conflict, intense physical exertion, choking. I also heard he had a heart problem and he was obviously obese. Seems to me all those health issue would complicate his asthma.
I do not believe he was 'choked to death' by the police.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:24 pm to ChineseBandit58
what if I told you guys that at the heart of this is the question of liability betwen the NYC and a private healthcare company who operated EMS???
Remember where you read that.
Which humans caused the death?
Remember where you read that.
Which humans caused the death?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:12 pm to baybeefeetz
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initially "little" damage to windpipe. Then "compression" ends up being found the cause of death? Weird.
Sounds like textbook "positional asphyxiation". 350 lbs laying on top of his diaphragm.
ETA live been looking for the full report for awhile now.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:21 pm to Five0
Again, if it was asphyxiation, why not say that when announcing to the public? Assume, though, that it was asphyxiation, is a cop to be criminally culpable for laying a guy on his side?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:22 pm to baybeefeetz
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I note also that four ems workers were suspended (at least) for not doing shite to try to save the guy.
They were given a harsher punishment for not helping than the cops did for hurting him.
Some kind of work, eh, BBF?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:28 pm to Ace Midnight
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They were given a harsher punishment for not helping than the cops did for hurting him.
Some kind of work, eh, BBF?
you missed the memo, the cops weren't meaning to kill him and well they are more violent frequently which doesn't result in death, so its cool.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:34 pm to mmcgrath
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choking him led to the death
go look at the video. how does having your around his neck for 15 seconds or less = choking him to death. he is still talking after the "choke hold" is released. I would suggest his physical condition and aliments are more responsible for his death than the cop's actions.
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