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WAPO: Obama's unilateral action on immigration has no precedent
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:04 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:04 am
Washington Post: By the Editorial Board.
December 3 at 7:32 PM
THE WHITE HOUSE has defended President Obama's unilateral decision to legalize the presence of nearly 4 million undocumented immigrants as consistent, even in scope, with the executive actions of previous presidents. In fact, it is increasingly clear that the sweeping magnitude of Mr. Obama's order is UNPRECEDENTED. (WAPO)
Central to the administration's argument is it's contention that the 4 million covered by the president's order - some 36 percent of the estimated undocumented population of 11 million - is in line with the percentage covered by George H.W. Bush in 1990. At that time however, there were about 3.5 million illegal immigrants in the country; Mr. Obama, administration officials and allies have said that 1.5 million of them - spouses and children of previously amnestied immigrants - benefited from Mr. Bush's move.
In addition to the White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, and Mr. Obama himself, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel cited the Bush executive action as precedent, using the figure of 1.5 million immigrants.
However the Post's Glenn Kessler has scrupulously reported, there is every reason to believe that the estimate is wildly exaggerated and based mainly on what appears to have been a misunderstanding at the time.
When the measure was announced, Bush administration officials estimated the numbers who would be affected at around 100,000. While that was followed by some fuzziness and upward revisions, the actual number affected by the 1990 order was clearly a fraction - perhaps a couple of hundred thousand people, at the most - of the 1.5 million that the Obama administration officials have cited.
Even the apparent original source of the 1.5 million figure - Gene McNary, who led the Immigration and Naturalization Service at the time - told Mr. Keesler he believes the number is false and was based on a misunderstanding from testimony he gave to Congress. And no underlying methodology to justify the 1.5 million figure has been uncovered.
This is not a game of gotcha; facts matter - even in Washington - and so do the numbers. Under close scrutiny it is plain that the White House's numbers are indefensible. It is similarly plain that the scale of Mr. Obama's move goes far beyond anything his predecessors attempted.
A responsible Congress would have legislated a fix to the nation's broken immigration system. It is outrageous that Republican leaders in the House refused to allow a vote on a bill passed in the Senate last year. That bill, backed by Democrats and some moderate Republicans, stood a chance of passing the House and becoming law. Even now, Republicans' refusal to enact a bill - and their use of Mr. Obama's order as further pretext for obstinacy and paralysis - is an abdication of leadership and duty.
Republicans' failure to address immigration also does not justify Mr. Obama's massive unilateral act. Unlike Mr. Bush in 1990, whose much more modest order was in step with legislation recently and subsequently enacted by Congress, Mr. Obama's move flies in the face of congressional intent - no mater how indefensible that intent looks.
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Why didn't the Editorial Board just say it, Obama is a lawless president.
Why didn't they speak of all the Republican bills passed in the House not brought to a vote by Reid and the Democrats ?
The Republicans want security first, and after being promised secure borders in 1986 they should settle for nothing less.
December 3 at 7:32 PM
THE WHITE HOUSE has defended President Obama's unilateral decision to legalize the presence of nearly 4 million undocumented immigrants as consistent, even in scope, with the executive actions of previous presidents. In fact, it is increasingly clear that the sweeping magnitude of Mr. Obama's order is UNPRECEDENTED. (WAPO)
Central to the administration's argument is it's contention that the 4 million covered by the president's order - some 36 percent of the estimated undocumented population of 11 million - is in line with the percentage covered by George H.W. Bush in 1990. At that time however, there were about 3.5 million illegal immigrants in the country; Mr. Obama, administration officials and allies have said that 1.5 million of them - spouses and children of previously amnestied immigrants - benefited from Mr. Bush's move.
In addition to the White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, and Mr. Obama himself, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel cited the Bush executive action as precedent, using the figure of 1.5 million immigrants.
However the Post's Glenn Kessler has scrupulously reported, there is every reason to believe that the estimate is wildly exaggerated and based mainly on what appears to have been a misunderstanding at the time.
When the measure was announced, Bush administration officials estimated the numbers who would be affected at around 100,000. While that was followed by some fuzziness and upward revisions, the actual number affected by the 1990 order was clearly a fraction - perhaps a couple of hundred thousand people, at the most - of the 1.5 million that the Obama administration officials have cited.
Even the apparent original source of the 1.5 million figure - Gene McNary, who led the Immigration and Naturalization Service at the time - told Mr. Keesler he believes the number is false and was based on a misunderstanding from testimony he gave to Congress. And no underlying methodology to justify the 1.5 million figure has been uncovered.
This is not a game of gotcha; facts matter - even in Washington - and so do the numbers. Under close scrutiny it is plain that the White House's numbers are indefensible. It is similarly plain that the scale of Mr. Obama's move goes far beyond anything his predecessors attempted.
A responsible Congress would have legislated a fix to the nation's broken immigration system. It is outrageous that Republican leaders in the House refused to allow a vote on a bill passed in the Senate last year. That bill, backed by Democrats and some moderate Republicans, stood a chance of passing the House and becoming law. Even now, Republicans' refusal to enact a bill - and their use of Mr. Obama's order as further pretext for obstinacy and paralysis - is an abdication of leadership and duty.
Republicans' failure to address immigration also does not justify Mr. Obama's massive unilateral act. Unlike Mr. Bush in 1990, whose much more modest order was in step with legislation recently and subsequently enacted by Congress, Mr. Obama's move flies in the face of congressional intent - no mater how indefensible that intent looks.
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Why didn't the Editorial Board just say it, Obama is a lawless president.
Why didn't they speak of all the Republican bills passed in the House not brought to a vote by Reid and the Democrats ?
The Republicans want security first, and after being promised secure borders in 1986 they should settle for nothing less.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 1:13 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:18 am to S.E.C. Crazy
Liberal cowards can't dodge the facts.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:31 am to boosiebadazz
Everything is funny too you isn't it commie ?
It wont be in a few years, punks like you will be spotlighted as the scourge of the U.S.
It wont be in a few years, punks like you will be spotlighted as the scourge of the U.S.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 12:12 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Not everything is funny, but most of the stuff that comes out of your mouth is. Please never stop posting.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:49 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Can we really trust the news source that revealed Darren Wilsons home address?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:58 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Posted on 12/4/14 at 1:59 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:You can spew venom as well as my ex-wife.
Liberal cowards can't dodge the facts.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:24 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
This administration will say just about anything, full well knowing it is patently untrue, and most of the time, will not get called out on it in the mainstream media. From you can keep your doctor, to the "this won't add a penny to the nationa debt". Sooner or later these lies will come back to them.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:29 pm to Rawdawgs
Another example from yesterday, Obama at the business roundtable:
(In a reference to China) "One thing I will say is that if they need to build some stuff, they can build it. And over time, that wears away our advantage competitively. It's embarrassing -- you drive down the roads, and you look at what they're able to do. The place that we stayed at for the APEC Summit was this lavish conference center, and it probably put most of the conference centers here to shame. They built it in a year.Now, you've got an authoritarian government that isn't necessarily accountable. I understand we're not going to do that. But if they're able to build their ports, their airports, their smart grid, their air traffic control systems, their broadband systems with that rapidity and they're highly superior to ours -- over time, that's going to be a problem for us"
This from an administration that has been stalling the Keystone pipeline for 5 years.
(In a reference to China) "One thing I will say is that if they need to build some stuff, they can build it. And over time, that wears away our advantage competitively. It's embarrassing -- you drive down the roads, and you look at what they're able to do. The place that we stayed at for the APEC Summit was this lavish conference center, and it probably put most of the conference centers here to shame. They built it in a year.Now, you've got an authoritarian government that isn't necessarily accountable. I understand we're not going to do that. But if they're able to build their ports, their airports, their smart grid, their air traffic control systems, their broadband systems with that rapidity and they're highly superior to ours -- over time, that's going to be a problem for us"
This from an administration that has been stalling the Keystone pipeline for 5 years.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 3:07 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Here's the biggest issue I have with Establishment Republicans on this whole illegal immigration issue: 2001-2006 they had total control of the White House, Senate, and House of Reps. Why didn't they fix shite then? Especially in light of terrorists involved in 9/11, the case to secure our borders would've been a slam dunk and garnered massive support. Now that they realize that Obama is just basically "importing Dem voters" to ensure a one-party government strangle hold for years to come, NOW it's suddenly this life or death issue. THIS is my main issue with how this shite is going down.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 3:14 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:no we can't but leave it to the dumb arse OP to post this bullshite.
Can we really trust the news source that revealed Darren Wilsons home address?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 3:16 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
If we're talking about the lawlessness of Obama's action does it really matter how many people are affected?
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