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The UVA Rape Case - Was the Report an Exaggeration? (Update 12-5-14)
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:04 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:04 am
Author of UVA Rape Story: 'What Exactly Happened? I Don't Know.'
Here is the Slate (super liberal organization) Article
there is a lot more information (often overlapping) in the 2 links above. this really shows the murky area that is "rape" involving college students, especially when you have a media creating the story instead of reporting on the story. in this very example, rolling stone fully admits that it is creating a narrative. it's "telling jackie's story"
when you combine that with the beliefs that you should never question a rape victim, you presume that the alleged perpetrator is guilty, and you slant all dissemination of information to protect one side and hurt the other, you get this situation. i have no idea if something happened at UVA, and now that rolling stone has created this inflammatory piece, the underlying situation is going to be so emotional and the groups involved so defensive, that any investigation will be pointless.
just look at the last quoted part from the Reason blog. the SJW belief system is so warped that ANY questioning of the reporting of a rape story requires a disclaimer that you're not pro-rape. journalists should be reminded of this early and often
you are not the fricking story
you are here to report facts
you are not supposed to create your own story
you are not supposed to "report" on a situation from one side to fabricate an exaggerated story and represent it as a reflection of reality
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Since then, numerous media outlets have cited my concerns while adding their own. Far too many have weighed in to keep a proper count, but The New Republic, The Washington Examiner, The Federalist, The American Conservative, and The Washington Post all published articles worth a read, and all have valid questions about Erdely's reporting.
But perhaps the most serious question about the accuracy of the story is one inadvertently raised by Erdely herself, at the prompting of Slate's Hanna Rosin, several days ago. Erdely was interviewed by Rosin's Double X podcast; when pressed for crucial details about whether she knew the perpetrators names and sought their sides of the story, Erdely repeatedly dodged the question. Eventually, she conceded this: "What exactly happened? I wasn't in that room. I don't know."
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Lastly, I should mention that I have fielded criticisms all day from people—some of them libertarian-leaning—who think it was wrong of me to write a story questioning a rape accusation at all. Some believe that by expressing skepticism of Erdely's reporting, I risked identifying libertarianism with rape denial. Needless to say, I disagree; anyone who gives my previous work a fair appraisal should conclude that I treat sexual assault with the utmost seriousness. Whatever the extent of the campus rape crisis, I am interested in exploring potential solutions, and believe I have pinpointed a major one.
Here is the Slate (super liberal organization) Article
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Erdely’s editor at Rolling Stone, Sean Woods, has confirmed that the writer did not talk to Drew or any of the men that Jackie alleges participated in the rape. “We did not talk to them. We could not reach them,” he told the Washington Post, although he added that the magazine verified their existence by talking to Jackie’s friends. “I’m satisfied that these guys exist and are real,” he said. “We knew who they were.”
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We don’t hear how Cindy recalls that same conversation, one that is pretty damning to Cindy.
Both Erdely and Woods have said that they decided to tell the story mostly from Jackie’s point of view. As Woods told the Post, “We were telling Jackie’s story. It’s her story.”
there is a lot more information (often overlapping) in the 2 links above. this really shows the murky area that is "rape" involving college students, especially when you have a media creating the story instead of reporting on the story. in this very example, rolling stone fully admits that it is creating a narrative. it's "telling jackie's story"
when you combine that with the beliefs that you should never question a rape victim, you presume that the alleged perpetrator is guilty, and you slant all dissemination of information to protect one side and hurt the other, you get this situation. i have no idea if something happened at UVA, and now that rolling stone has created this inflammatory piece, the underlying situation is going to be so emotional and the groups involved so defensive, that any investigation will be pointless.
just look at the last quoted part from the Reason blog. the SJW belief system is so warped that ANY questioning of the reporting of a rape story requires a disclaimer that you're not pro-rape. journalists should be reminded of this early and often
quote:
Still, I must go on reporting the news as it actually happens, not the version of it that is most convenient for making libertarianism more palatable to the social justice crowd.
you are not the fricking story
you are here to report facts
you are not supposed to create your own story
you are not supposed to "report" on a situation from one side to fabricate an exaggerated story and represent it as a reflection of reality
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 8:07 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Holy wall of text batman. Cliff notes?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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telling Jackie’s story. It’s her story.”
that's pretty bad.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:10 am to SlowFlowPro
It reads a lot like one of Thayer Evans' articles.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:12 am to Duckie
yeah especially when you look at the big picture
the piece was written to criticize UVA and it's fraternity system as much as it was to tell that story, it just likely exaggerated the story and let an obviously emotional vicim run wild and only report that one side
and i'm not denying that something terrible happened to her, but the problem is that we have no fricking idea what did happen to her and now probably never will because this piece fricks everything up.
the piece was written to criticize UVA and it's fraternity system as much as it was to tell that story, it just likely exaggerated the story and let an obviously emotional vicim run wild and only report that one side
and i'm not denying that something terrible happened to her, but the problem is that we have no fricking idea what did happen to her and now probably never will because this piece fricks everything up.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:13 am to Breesus
Basically the Rolling Stone article of UVA rape case was only using information gathered from the woman who says she was raped.
Rolling Stones admits that they were telling her story and not both sides.
Rolling Stones admits that they were telling her story and not both sides.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 8:15 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
From the moment I read the original story there was ZERO doubt in my mind that it was exaggerated. The fact that the Editor allowed this to go forward is beyond the pale. I am anti-lawsuit but believe the system is there specifically for egregious situations. Those boys need to sue the frick out of Rolling Stone.
Let's forget everything else and look at one thing. You are telling me that a group of young, affluent college students at a prestigious school with a bright future ahead of them agreed, as a group, to brutally rape this girl and then allow her to walk away. Knowing she would tell people and they would be easily identified by virtue of this happening at their fraternity. Really? And not one of them has come forward to rat out the others and save his own skin?
Did sex occur? Certainly. Was she possibly drunk? Certainly. Did someone probably stumble in the dark room and break a coffee table (remember she says she was thrown through the table)? Probably. Did this chick scream NO! the entire time while these guys held her down and took turns? No way. Was she thinking NO! in her head but not saying it? Maybe. But that is the problem with the new definition of college rape. Face it, on campuses these days, it better not be anything freaky (i.e. group sex) and the female half better be actively and continuously encouraging you before you go forward. This is triple important if it is a casual, first time encounter.
Let's forget everything else and look at one thing. You are telling me that a group of young, affluent college students at a prestigious school with a bright future ahead of them agreed, as a group, to brutally rape this girl and then allow her to walk away. Knowing she would tell people and they would be easily identified by virtue of this happening at their fraternity. Really? And not one of them has come forward to rat out the others and save his own skin?
Did sex occur? Certainly. Was she possibly drunk? Certainly. Did someone probably stumble in the dark room and break a coffee table (remember she says she was thrown through the table)? Probably. Did this chick scream NO! the entire time while these guys held her down and took turns? No way. Was she thinking NO! in her head but not saying it? Maybe. But that is the problem with the new definition of college rape. Face it, on campuses these days, it better not be anything freaky (i.e. group sex) and the female half better be actively and continuously encouraging you before you go forward. This is triple important if it is a casual, first time encounter.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Fraternities will always be the easiest target for accusations of sexual assault in colleges. They are fresh meat for SJW journalists and bloggers, and it will always be that way.
The truth of this story may never come out, because the court of public opinion has ruled the UVA fraternity as guilty before we got to hear their side of the story, and any rebuttal from someone who was there that night will be treated as a fabrication.
I know that plenty of fraternities across the country are full of sketchballs, such as this one at UVA apparently is, and I guess those types could be capable of pulling off such atrocities. In all my time that I spent in a fraternity in college, however, I never met anyone who would willingly take advantage of a girl in such a manner as the one described in this story. It's sickening to even think about.
The truth of this story may never come out, because the court of public opinion has ruled the UVA fraternity as guilty before we got to hear their side of the story, and any rebuttal from someone who was there that night will be treated as a fabrication.
I know that plenty of fraternities across the country are full of sketchballs, such as this one at UVA apparently is, and I guess those types could be capable of pulling off such atrocities. In all my time that I spent in a fraternity in college, however, I never met anyone who would willingly take advantage of a girl in such a manner as the one described in this story. It's sickening to even think about.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:29 am to Bluefin
Every story is exaggerated or an outright lie or it wouldn't get coverage, like "Hands up, don't shoot"
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
I am shocked that rolling stone didn't vet this story out better
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:47 am to Dire Wolf
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I am shocked that rolling stone didn't vet this story out better
Sarcasm I'm sure.
The argument behind such stories, that it is outrageous that schools don't kick out male students on the basis of simple and unsupported accusations, is mind blowing to me.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
bill cosby is sure getting around
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:51 pm to baybeefeetz
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retraction today?
That's what Wink linked to me earlier today
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In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie's account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced. We were trying to be sensitive to the unfair shame and humiliation many women feel after a sexual assault and now regret the decision to not contact the alleged assaulters to get their account. We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and i'm not denying that something terrible happened to her,
I am. Not a damn thing happened to "Jackie."
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
well what do you know? The too crazy to be true story may not be so true after all. The Duke lacrosse guys are reminiscing today.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:01 pm to baybeefeetz
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The Duke lacrosse guys are reminiscing today.
they probably just popped some champagne open like the 72 dolphins do every year
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
These are the discrepancies.
No party that night.
Guy she named was not a member of the fraternity.
No back staircase in the house.
No room.
No internal emails relating to the event.
Pledges were not allowed in the house at that time of year.
So, she made the entire thing up.
count!
No party that night.
Guy she named was not a member of the fraternity.
No back staircase in the house.
No room.
No internal emails relating to the event.
Pledges were not allowed in the house at that time of year.
So, she made the entire thing up.
count!
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/5/14 at 1:11 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
I hope the frat sues the hell out of Rolling Stones... Irresponsible journalism at its best. I cannot understand how they ran a story without checking into anything. As disgusting as rape is, it is even more disgusting making up a story of being raped.
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