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re: I know we have several military guys on this board
Posted on 11/27/14 at 6:01 pm to TrapperJohn
Posted on 11/27/14 at 6:01 pm to TrapperJohn
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He's been talking about becoming an operator since he was 10 years old
I was excited about where this thread was going, only to be disappointed.
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Posted on 11/27/14 at 10:55 pm to Wolfhound45
Specialty branches are common for DC...as in "special circumstances"
Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:22 am to TrapperJohn
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TrapperJohn
Based off experience, I can't say much but I will say this:
Try to speak to your son about exploring all branches of service and see which one fits him and his interests best. The Army does have great benefits for their soldiers but so do other branches. I'm 23 I went to college for aeronautics, after I got out, I explored my options with all branches before deciding on the Marine Corps. Signed my contract for 8 years (5 active, 3 IRR) for an aircrew position. I leave next month for San Diego for basic, then MCT, then off to naval aircrew candidate school. Honestly, the Marine Corps was the last option I considered, but its turned out to be the best fit.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 12:35 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Specialty branches are common for DC...as in "special circumstances"
Breh, I have more than a few years on you. MSC (70 series) is not considered special circumstances commission. A 70B is a dime a dozen. But for some reason we DC them in the Army Reserve. And we do not need to. ROTC can provide us more than we could ever need.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 1:09 am to TrapperJohn
In LA he will get better deal with guard. Check into it.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:55 am to TrapperJohn
15 years in the Army, tuition assistance and The GI Bill for school but a damn USAR recruiter isn't gonna help him get in school. Now some guard guy may have a cousin who works in HR, but the Army doesn't help with civilian job placement. If he wants to join the military he needs to go in as an officer.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:00 am to Wolfhound45
The USAR doesn't handle 70 series DC, AMEDD does. USAR only handles Combat service and service support DC. That means all combat arms are only available through the guard.
And to piggy back on watch butch said, I was rated by LTG Talley, the current CAR, when he was a 2 star. LSU alum and a great guy.
And to piggy back on watch butch said, I was rated by LTG Talley, the current CAR, when he was a 2 star. LSU alum and a great guy.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:45 am to LSUTiger205
A lot of great info in here. Probably can get great perspective from just about every branch.
The only thing I didn't see mentioned is the National Guard offers tuition exemption from state funded colleges. Unless that has changed. The drawback is you can miss time if there is a hurricane or other disaster. But normally the students are the first released from duty.
Also, some GI bill can be used for more than college.
Trade schools, technical schools, medical training schools, apprenticeships.
The only thing I didn't see mentioned is the National Guard offers tuition exemption from state funded colleges. Unless that has changed. The drawback is you can miss time if there is a hurricane or other disaster. But normally the students are the first released from duty.
Also, some GI bill can be used for more than college.
Trade schools, technical schools, medical training schools, apprenticeships.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 10:25 am to LSUTiger205
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The USAR doesn't handle 70 series DC, AMEDD does. USAR only handles Combat service and service support DC. That means all combat arms are only available through the guard.
AMEDD recruiting has the mission, correct. But they board DC MSC 70B for the USAR annually or semi-annually, able to triple slot them because they are an AMEDD specialty. As a former MED BN commander and current MED BDE commander, they contribute nothing to my mission. I simply do not have the PL positions for them to grow and develop in. They ended up being assistant to the assistant staff officers, a horrible place for a newly commissioned company grade officer who has little or no leadership experience.
I have only met one Active Component DC for MSC (70B), a former MSG (can you believe that) who took a commission as a 2LT. The majority are in the Army Reserve. And again, I do not know why AMEDD recruiting has a mission for it. It makes no sense.
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... I was rated by LTG Talley...
Former 84th TC? Still cannot believe he is an LSU alum and I did not know it.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 10:32 am to Wolfhound45
This happened to one of the officers in my company. Pretty sure she was 70b, she was a pl for maybe two months then was put on rear detachment. Once we redeployed she was in our company but not in a pl spot. Then she went to battalion and was promoted to CPT. Honestly I'm not sure how she was promoted, imo she just didn't have enough pl time and didn't serve any time as a company xo once we came back from Afghanistan. She was our rear d company commander. But of course what do I know lol im just an e5.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 10:49 am to Wolfhound45
What I am saying is that an ARCD USAR AGR recruiter can not submit a packet for a 70b to HRC. It has to go through AMEDD. AMEDD boards twice a year and DC for any other branch is once a year, those results were released on 8 Sept
ETA: yes, 84th....shittiest unit ever
ETA: yes, 84th....shittiest unit ever
This post was edited on 11/28/14 at 10:50 am
Posted on 11/28/14 at 6:57 pm to TrapperJohn
TJ, there is some good info on here about the reserves. I am a retired air force officer and was the operations officer at a recruiting squadron for three years and in charge of the air force side of the MEPS in St. Louis and Memphis as well. Although I spent a little time in the active reserves back in the day really can't speak much for them tbh.
Question, is your son only interested in the reserves or that is just who he has talked to first? In my eyes the best avenue would be to go active first and then transition to the reserves if he doesn't want to reenlist after his first term is over. He can get some good training, GI Bill when he is finished, and take college at night while he is in. I was able to get a BS and an MS completed while I was in and transition over to be an officer via OTS. Worked well for me.
Don't have specifics for you but if you have any questions I can get specific I am sure. In any case good luck to you and your son. Seeing young guys serve our country is a good thing in my eyes.
p.s. The recruiter can not get your son a civilian job. That is pure bunk and you should report that recruiter to his superior. Stuff like that gives recruiters a bad name.
Question, is your son only interested in the reserves or that is just who he has talked to first? In my eyes the best avenue would be to go active first and then transition to the reserves if he doesn't want to reenlist after his first term is over. He can get some good training, GI Bill when he is finished, and take college at night while he is in. I was able to get a BS and an MS completed while I was in and transition over to be an officer via OTS. Worked well for me.
Don't have specifics for you but if you have any questions I can get specific I am sure. In any case good luck to you and your son. Seeing young guys serve our country is a good thing in my eyes.
p.s. The recruiter can not get your son a civilian job. That is pure bunk and you should report that recruiter to his superior. Stuff like that gives recruiters a bad name.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:07 pm to Wolfhound45
I lived near Fort Benning for 10 years, I had a neighbor who got blew up in Afghan, run away from the situation and start a landscape business in an up and coming city and enjoy life
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:29 pm to TrapperJohn
The Reserves will help pay for college but I'd suggest talking to the National Guard instead if he plans on going to a Louisiana public college/university.
A member of the Guard gets 100% tuition exemption to most public institutions, your recruiter could verify whether SOWELA meets the criteria.
In addition he'd receive the GI Bill, possibly the GI Bill kicker and depending on his ASVAB score could qualify for the Student Loan Repayment Program.
Further as a member of the Guard, he could only be deployed if his entire unit is activated. Members of the Army Reserve can be selected as individual augmentees and activated individually.
I'd would ask for literature spelling out the relationship between the Army Reserve and Sasol. That seems fishy. My first question is how can the Army Reserve be in partnership, officially, with a South African company? 26 years of service tells me that recruiters are prone to exaggerate the truth to "make mission" and I say that when some of my closest friends have spent many years on recruiting duty.
There's also not a lot of similar job skills that I can think of that would transfer to plant process technology (although I'm not sure what exactly that entails). There are plenty of IT type MOSs that could help. Don't let him be tricked into becoming a 92F (Petroleum Supply Specialist). That's Army speak for gas station attendant.
His contract in either the USAR or ARNG will be a 8 year service obligation which will be 6 years in active drill status and 2 years of Ready Reserve (subject to recall in the event of the next conflict).
Hope this helps in addition to the other information you get. Best of luck to you and your son.
A member of the Guard gets 100% tuition exemption to most public institutions, your recruiter could verify whether SOWELA meets the criteria.
In addition he'd receive the GI Bill, possibly the GI Bill kicker and depending on his ASVAB score could qualify for the Student Loan Repayment Program.
Further as a member of the Guard, he could only be deployed if his entire unit is activated. Members of the Army Reserve can be selected as individual augmentees and activated individually.
I'd would ask for literature spelling out the relationship between the Army Reserve and Sasol. That seems fishy. My first question is how can the Army Reserve be in partnership, officially, with a South African company? 26 years of service tells me that recruiters are prone to exaggerate the truth to "make mission" and I say that when some of my closest friends have spent many years on recruiting duty.
There's also not a lot of similar job skills that I can think of that would transfer to plant process technology (although I'm not sure what exactly that entails). There are plenty of IT type MOSs that could help. Don't let him be tricked into becoming a 92F (Petroleum Supply Specialist). That's Army speak for gas station attendant.
His contract in either the USAR or ARNG will be a 8 year service obligation which will be 6 years in active drill status and 2 years of Ready Reserve (subject to recall in the event of the next conflict).
Hope this helps in addition to the other information you get. Best of luck to you and your son.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:53 pm to TrapperJohn
Trapper -
If he's doing this STRICTLY over the money, the Army National Guard will give him the most bang for his buck, so to speak. Is sowela that expensive? I've got no idea how much that cost, but I'd assume - quite possibly incorrectly - it's not as expensive as an LSU/ULL. But again, I'm guessing.
Anyway, if he does decide to go this route, understand something......there is a GOOD chance he will, at some point, be recalled and deployed. Just know that going in, as it's not like the old days, when reservist dressed up in green underwear and played around in the woods with big equipment on the weekends. Nowadays, with troop shortages being what they are, they get a phone call, go to war, or (more commonly) go relieve someone stateside that's gone to war. Just know it's coming.
I'm still not sure how I avoided the first gulf war, but I can tell you it's a very weird (weird's the wrong word, but I can't think of the proper one) feeling coming home from work every day, and watching the news to see how many of y'all got recalled that day.
My advice to anyone thinking about military service is this....don't do it for the money, as there are other ways to pay for school.
Now, if lil Trapper needs to grow up, needs to learn a little discipline, loves to fight, has gambling debts such that large Italian Americans are looking for him at the fraternity house (I did know a guy that joined for this reason), is in a toxic relationship with a sororistute and needs to get away, has a judge given decision of join up or go to jail (pretty sure they don't do this anymore), has a burning desire to serve his country, wants to be a stone cold killer, wants to know if he really can make it through Parris Island, or feels like he'll look back later in life and regret that he never served his country, then by all means, sign him up.
If he's doing this STRICTLY over the money, the Army National Guard will give him the most bang for his buck, so to speak. Is sowela that expensive? I've got no idea how much that cost, but I'd assume - quite possibly incorrectly - it's not as expensive as an LSU/ULL. But again, I'm guessing.
Anyway, if he does decide to go this route, understand something......there is a GOOD chance he will, at some point, be recalled and deployed. Just know that going in, as it's not like the old days, when reservist dressed up in green underwear and played around in the woods with big equipment on the weekends. Nowadays, with troop shortages being what they are, they get a phone call, go to war, or (more commonly) go relieve someone stateside that's gone to war. Just know it's coming.
I'm still not sure how I avoided the first gulf war, but I can tell you it's a very weird (weird's the wrong word, but I can't think of the proper one) feeling coming home from work every day, and watching the news to see how many of y'all got recalled that day.
My advice to anyone thinking about military service is this....don't do it for the money, as there are other ways to pay for school.
Now, if lil Trapper needs to grow up, needs to learn a little discipline, loves to fight, has gambling debts such that large Italian Americans are looking for him at the fraternity house (I did know a guy that joined for this reason), is in a toxic relationship with a sororistute and needs to get away, has a judge given decision of join up or go to jail (pretty sure they don't do this anymore), has a burning desire to serve his country, wants to be a stone cold killer, wants to know if he really can make it through Parris Island, or feels like he'll look back later in life and regret that he never served his country, then by all means, sign him up.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:50 pm to TigerTreyjpg
I appreciate all of the responses. This was exactly what I was hoping for. Time to study up on this and make a few calls.
Posted on 11/28/14 at 9:47 pm to Hillborn 22
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Honestly, the Marine Corps was the last option I considered, but its turned out to be the best fit.
How do you know, if you....
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leave next month for San Diego for basic
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